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Old 07-22-2009, 11:29 AM   #1
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Horses run trainers don't

No better example of which makes which can be found than in the example of one of our current leading trainers at Hastings: Troy Taylor. A competent,journeyman trainer who never hit the top ten, let alone the TOP of the trainer's stats over the last 25 years PLUS, the difference is in the raw materials he has to work with. The leading owners (Glen Todd and Patrick Kinsella) have provided this fellow with live, PROVEN allowance quality race horses gleaned from some of the bigger meets in New York and Maryland.

Work with Brand X and you get Brand X results. Work with a Rolex quality stable and the results are the same.

Same goes for ANY trainer at ANY race course. It is the HORSE and nothing else. Without that raw material to work with the it does not allow for good results.
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:40 AM   #2
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yet in the opinion of most of the nonracing public, he is winning now because he has a new vet or he has found a new training method that works miracles. This is why racing is doomed. Perception is all.
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those brand X horses to Dutrow, Mullins, Asmussen and they will quickly become a Rolex. Claim from them ant the Rolex will quickly become Brand X.
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:55 AM   #4
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those brand X horses to Dutrow, Mullins, Asmussen and they will quickly become a Rolex. Claim from them ant the Rolex will quickly become Brand X.
Phrases in our vernacular STAY there because they are SUPPORTED by loads and load of evidence.

QUOTE: "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear" The exceptions (Seabiscuit, Stymie etc.) are there but they are very very few and far between.

Horses cannot do what they are incapable of doing. PURE and SIMPLE. Just like any other athlete in any other persuasion.

Now you can "juice" them of course, but that is not training .....That's pharmacology
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No better example of which makes which can be found than in the example of one of our current leading trainers at Hastings: Troy Taylor. A competent,journeyman trainer who never hit the top ten, let alone the TOP of the trainer's stats over the last 25 years PLUS, the difference is in the raw materials he has to work with. The leading owners (Glen Todd and Patrick Kinsella) have provided this fellow with live, PROVEN allowance quality race horses gleaned from some of the bigger meets in New York and Maryland.

Work with Brand X and you get Brand X results. Work with a Rolex quality stable and the results are the same.

Same goes for ANY trainer at ANY race course. It is the HORSE and nothing else. Without that raw material to work with the it does not allow for good results.
Kind of like Jockeys, wouldn't you say? If they ride "live" horses, they win. If they DON'T get live horses to ride, they don't!
My take has always been, "when the jockeys' feet hit the ground BEFORE the horses' I'll pay attention to them. Until then, I'll pay attention to the HORSE!"
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Old 07-22-2009, 03:32 PM   #6
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Horses are not machines.
The trainer provide food, medicine, training, housing.....all that is part of the horse's condition. It varied with trainers. Pop McKeever claimed Strictly a Gamble back in the 70's - won three in a row with him - off horrendous form.
Drugs, blood doping, electricity, milkshakes? No - he wormed him and fed him good food.

Every time a horse changes hand, he begins a new form cycle. A horses best races come at the crest of each cycle. No one is suggesting chicanery - just some trainer s know how to best get the horses to that point and some never figure it out. Countless examples of equipment to allow the horse to run to it's potential (blinkers, ear muffs, shoes....). that is the basis of my favorite all time angle - third off a layoff, back figure make him a contender today. I do not look for the horse to run faster than he as in the past, just faster than he has recently, considering a freshening and an improving form cycle. Remember Doc teaching about the pluses, oh's and pluses in an oh. The start before and after a layoff was forgiven.

Trainers do not make horses run faster, but some make them run slower.
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