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03-26-2014, 09:27 AM | #1 |
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Apology
In the thread Ote, started by Segwin, I made a statement to the effect "5 furlong turf races at GP are always run on the "outer turf course". That is incorrect. They run the 5 furlong and mile races (I haven't check on others) on both courses. Yesterday, while imputing information from the results files I noticed that in back to back 5 furlong turf races that they were run on different portions of the turf course. The information I save unfortunately doesn't include the distance from rail for the races.
I apologize for the misleading information and will attempt to do better in future posts. Ray |
03-26-2014, 09:41 AM | #2 |
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Dear Don'tSayDon't...GP doesn't have 2 turf courses...but in some races they move the rail out so far that when you are viewing the race on a screen or TV it looks as tho they have another Turf course...that turf course is extremely wide which gives them the option of moving that rail in and out to keep the course in good shape....I wish FG would do that because the Turf Course at FG is a total disaster
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03-26-2014, 10:12 AM | #3 | |
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I think it would be hard for GP to move the rails between races. I don't recall the exact races but it would be like race 7, 5F turf, rail set at 108ft, then the very next race, race 8, 5F turf, rail set at 48ft. It seems they are dividing the main turf course and making it 2 semi different courses on the same main course. I haven't watched enough races to determine if that is a fact. Or do they actually move the rails between races? I understand the reason for moving the rails in and out to prevent more damage to the inner portion of the turf course. But it seems GP is doing slightly more than that. Hence I think they should quantify the 2 different courses that they are creating. Anyone have more information on this point? I for one would like to know. Ray ps. Thanks for the reply atkinsrr |
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03-26-2014, 09:38 PM | #4 |
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It's the biggest crock o' sheeeet in racing. It's 2 courses. They don't report as 2. GP is as shady as they come,if you ask me.
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03-27-2014, 03:52 PM | #5 |
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Another problem with turf races at GP is run-ups. I'm new here and not familiar with forum policy about links to other sites, but here goes.
Andy Beyer wrote a couple of articles about the problems with unknown or varying run-up distances. One of them is HERE. He talks about a 7 1/2 furlong race at GP with a 375 foot run-up, making it longer than a 1m 40yd race. That article has a link to a previous article by Beyer on the subject. |
03-27-2014, 04:37 PM | #6 |
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Hello Mike B
Welcome to pace and cap Thank you for the link, and your nice post so far. I also thank you for your thoughtfulness to inquire about posting links Good Skilll Bill V. ^^ |
03-27-2014, 06:42 PM | #7 |
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MikeB..I also read Beyers article....actually the run ups for 71/2 on the Turf are only 250 feet ,,,I didn't see anything about 375..unless he wrote another article...I'm just wondering if Track Master knows this and can do something about adjusting the numbers...it's probably best to stay away from those races at 71/2 F
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03-27-2014, 06:52 PM | #8 |
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Also MikeB you'll notice on turf racing at AP FG MTH they run about distances on the turf and when the PP's come out (especially MTH..you can't use those pacelines because the track won't give you interior fractions and we can't get pace ratings on that line. I've sent letters to Steven Crist at DRF, sent letters also to MTH and FG and I can't get tracks to put fractions in these races...I mean come on It doesn't matter the distance ...if a horse runs a 44 half at an about sprint it's the same 44 as if the horse ran at 5F or 51/2F. MTH told me when I called them they said they couldn't get the clockers to do it ?????
ummm couldn't or wouldn't...it seems a lot of these tracks do not care about the bettors, who are paying the way......just sayin' |
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03-27-2014, 07:30 PM | #10 |
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Thanks Mike...I didn't see that..
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