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Old 08-18-2008, 12:31 PM   #71
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Glad all had a good time, but a few suggestions from a old photographer that might make future photo captures a bit better balanced.

ALL modern day cameras, film or digitally based, use through the lens metering and try to make the image 18% neutral gray. The camera does not know WHAT about a shot is of interest, it just averages the amount of light coming in top 18% neutral gray. IF there is a lot of reflected light,usually from a strong back lit situation, as when people are standing in front of a window, or, in your cases here, in the dark under an awning, the camera AVERAGES the exposure to the total amount of light coming in, so it will UNDER-EXPOSE the images in the shade, OR, in the case of the very white shirt, it will overexpose. Most professionals "bracket" exposures of shots (like at a wedding) by taking progressive shots increasing half an F stop over exposed in two steps (like F4, then two hales over to F5.6)and two progressive halves under, in order to compensate back-lighting or reflected light. The photo of mine HERE, the avatar, required metering ON the horse or otherwise the back lighting of the sky behind the rider would have UNDER-exposed the horse in the foreground

Many of the newer cameras allow the user to spot meter in the area of a composed shot so that the meter only averages the light within that narrow parameter and NOT the entire field of view. I use this often at the gate since the horses are coming in from very bright light into the shadows of the gate which would be UNDER-exposed when they enter that shadow. Some other cameras use lower centered weighted metering, some allow pre-metering shots.

Just remember back lighting, white objects (or very bright objects in a dark field like a spot light in a darkened room) need to be balance before you hit the shutter for better light balance.

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Old 08-18-2008, 01:21 PM   #72
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Glad all of you had a great time! all looks well and Ted the pics look great!
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Old 08-18-2008, 03:09 PM   #73
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You are the person on the way home from the track

Those words are from a friend of mine and Richies
from back in our Meadowlands days

Why do I use the Sartin Methodology? why would I want people
who I am betting against to know what I do?
Why would I care about the guys who are not doing well?
Who cares? I do Our day at the races from Saratoga
made me feel like a big winner my bets made me a big winner
Things that friends and family wished for me made me act like a winner

What is the Sartin Methodology ??
Its the thing that gave me a happy healthy life

This is a gift from me
Its a little loud and not the usual thing you hear from me
But I thank two nice young lady friends of mine for
making me feel a lot better about myself and they love this stuff

Anyway My wish is that you all feel this way next time you
wager - That this is you on the way home - Nobody But Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4L_RorlztM

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Old 08-18-2008, 07:57 PM   #74
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Wow!

Bill, I just finished reading the entire thread of Pace and Cap Day at Saratoga, and I am so unbelievably proud of you, son. All that work and creativity that you did, all for your friends, it just filled me with tremendous admiration. (Admiration for Admin)
I loved all the pictures. You look so happy. Just what a mother wants to see.
Great job. I danced around to Nobody But Me. Very cute.
Love, Love, Love. Mom
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Old 08-19-2008, 10:42 AM   #75
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Pace and Cap Day at the SPA

Bill,

I hope that you are doing well?! Fantastic to hear that everyone had such a great time at Saratoga this past weekend. You can tell by the photos that a wonderful time was had by all who were able to be in attendance. It was very generous and awesome of you to put on this event Bill. I just wanted to say that I loved the Pace and Cap T-shirts with the Stetson on the sleeve too. Were those of your design by the way?

Nice touch!

Have a Great Week everyone.

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Old 08-19-2008, 01:17 PM   #76
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I was glad to be a part of the last day with the group at Saratoga. It's a magical place. And hearing Doc's voice after so many years (I think the last time for me was 1992) was a very special treat.
I would like to extend a special thanks to Bill V. for the 'lovely parting gift' and to Ted Craven for agreeing to help me with a personal favour even though we had just met. And a shout out to Jimbo for rubbing it in when I left out the favorite Stepaside in the 8th and letting me do the same when he left out Friskie Rosie in the final.
To RichieP, sorry you couldn't be there. I look forward to meeting you sometime in the future.

All together a great time.
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Old 08-19-2008, 01:30 PM   #77
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Bill,

I hope that you are doing well?! Fantastic to hear that everyone had such a great time at Saratoga this past weekend. You can tell by the photos that a wonderful time was had by all who were able to be in attendance. It was very generous and awesome of you to put on this event Bill. I just wanted to say that I loved the Pace and Cap T-shirts with the Stetson on the sleeve too. Were those of your design by the way?

Nice touch!

Have a Great Week everyone.

Vinnie

Yes Vinnie
I want people who see the t shirt to ask Why a Cowboy hat?
Its for our friend Jim Bradshaw and we can tell them about the "Hat"

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Old 08-19-2008, 04:56 PM   #78
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That hat on the sleeve was cool.

Maybe another idea would be a picture of that bolo tie around the neck line, like someone was wearin it.

Might be a predecessor of a future "official" Pace and Cap forum members tee-shirt.

Who knows.

But maybe one might "not" want to wear it at the track.....especially if one is a consistant winner.......might be a "bullseye"......"hey, watch anybody with that "hat" on their sleeve....might be one of those "Sartinese's" or "Hat" disciples......we did'nt ban THE HAT from the track cause he was only a "2 dollar" bettor".

Might also have people followin you just to hear what you bet to get a winner, too.

I betcha when Doc and seminar attendees, and Hat kept coming to the window to cash out, they were gettin more recognized by the clerks....betcha some clerks, who were smart, had a field day betting on what these people bet.

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Old 08-19-2008, 05:03 PM   #79
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Sure would've been nice if just ONE of those old seminars was on film, somewhere, to see the teachin crew and guest.

Doc and THE HAT gave a presentation at one of those DRF's official "Handicapping Expo" , but I don't know if their part or any of the Expo made it on film.

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Old 08-19-2008, 09:00 PM   #80
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Wrapup

I hope everyone got home safely. It was a fun weekend and I hope that we do it again in the future. I am in still in awe about the Alabama. What a race to see live on our big weekend. What a pleasure to put faces with names and handles. Hope to see all of you again soon.

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