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Old 08-27-2022, 11:17 AM   #1
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parimutuelly really

There is no qualitative difference between the odds and wagering or a grade one contest at Saratoga, as there are on a Tuesday afternoon Mahoning Downs maiden race for 4 year olds and up.

I do not understand (other than for the fans of the entire racing game) why the bulk of wagering goes on these big graded contests where the winner usually boils down to the logical, consistent animals that race at that level. Everyone and their third cousin's son KNOWS THAT. The odds are almost worthless in deciding between a 6/5 and and a 2/1. Even when you set up the logical with others in exotics, the lower odds has invited wide spread participation with those logical ones on top.

On the other hand, you can find real GOLD in some of these off tracks venues especially in the claiming ranks, where form cycles are short (in improving and declining). There are few really dominant runners and many many horses that just are not ready or willing to run. You can usually forget many more at this level than at allowances or stakes level......You also get more unsophisticated money being run through the mutuels here.

If you are interested about ROI, the big races are usally NOT whree it's at.
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Old 08-27-2022, 01:35 PM   #2
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Spot on Tim. I love the mid level to low level tracks.
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Old 08-27-2022, 06:52 PM   #3
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I do not understand (other than for the fans of the entire racing game) why the bulk of wagering goes on these big graded contests where the winner usually boils down to the logical, consistent animals that race at that level.
As we know, a growing share of race betting is done by syndicates/whales. Volume is what they seek. You can get big volume at big tracks, big stakes day, not so much on a Wednesday at Thistledowns.

You can bet $20 or $100 at the mid- and low-price tracks, on the best or the worst of their races, e.g. maybe even $5000 a day. But you can't bet $1000/race in many of those pools, or $100,000 a day.

Anyway - double your money on a virtual lock like Epicentre in the Travers (at least according to Lt1 ) looks like a good bet to many larger bettors (plus a nice rebate).

But for a certain style of betting and bankroll, indeed TDN, PRX, DEL even MTH are often like piggy banks.

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Old 08-27-2022, 10:57 PM   #4
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As we know, a growing share of race betting is done by syndicates/whales. Volume is what they seek. You can get big volume at big tracks, big stakes day, not so much on a Wednesday at Thistledowns.

You can bet $20 or $100 at the mid- and low-price tracks, on the best or the worst of their races, e.g. maybe even $5000 a day. But you can't bet $1000/race in many of those pools, or $100,000 a day.

Anyway - double your money on a virtual lock like Epicentre in the Travers (at least according to Lt1 ) looks like a good bet to many larger bettors (plus a nice rebate).

But for a certain style of betting and bankroll, indeed TDN, PRX, DEL even MTH are often like piggy banks.

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