F3 Times - Pace and Cap

shoeless · 07-10-2006, 06:52 AM

Gary and Houndog do you ever look at the F3 times?I have started to keep a model for CT and so far in 4 races both at 6.5 and 7 the winner had a 31.00 or over.It's only been a small sample so far 4 races but I thought I would run it by you.

shoeless · 07-11-2006, 12:22 PM

Houndog,At 6.5 fur where 3 races came from it was 69.24,7 fur only 1 it was 69.88.I just started doing Philly as well with your model sheets.Jeff

Houndog · 07-11-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by shoeless

Gary and Houndog do you ever look at the F3 times?I have started to keep a model for CT and so far in 4 races both at 6.5 and 7 the winner had a 31.00 or over.It's only been a small sample so far 4 races but I thought I would run it by you.

Jeff, that might be significant as your sample size get's bigger. I don't remember where I saw it, but I think someone observed Doc Sartin marking the 3rd fraction times on the form. When I find the article I will let you know. It also could have been in one of the books I read. (Maybe Pace Makes the Race). Jeff with your model did you happen to notice the Percent Median for these 4 races?

Houndog · 07-11-2006, 05:36 PM

Jeff, I don't know if this will help with your research, but starting on page 54 they have an article that discusses F3 as well as other readouts.

Rxlawyer · 07-12-2006, 06:29 AM

Jeff:

It is always a good idea to model races to determine the required numbers for winning. However, no number can stand on its own. F3 must be considered in the context of the pace of the individual race.

Gary

shoeless · 07-12-2006, 06:58 AM

Thanks guys very much.Jeff

tom · 07-14-2006, 11:14 AM

I remember Doc telling us that he looked at the F3 of early horses when they win, to see what it took for them to hold on. He said that a fast F3 in losing effort was mis-representing the horse's winning ability.

07-10-2006, 06:52 AM	#1
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,151	F3 Times Gary and Houndog do you ever look at the F3 times?I have started to keep a model for CT and so far in 4 races both at 6.5 and 7 the winner had a 31.00 or over.It's only been a small sample so far 4 races but I thought I would run it by you.

07-11-2006, 05:36 PM	#4
Houndog Grade 1 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,258	Follow Up 32 Jeff, I don't know if this will help with your research, but starting on page 54 they have an article that discusses F3 as well as other readouts.

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07-11-2006, 12:22 PM	#2
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,151	Houndog,At 6.5 fur where 3 races came from it was 69.24,7 fur only 1 it was 69.88.I just started doing Philly as well with your model sheets.Jeff

07-12-2006, 06:29 AM	#5
Rxlawyer Grade 1 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 212	Jeff: It is always a good idea to model races to determine the required numbers for winning. However, no number can stand on its own. F3 must be considered in the context of the pace of the individual race. Gary

07-12-2006, 06:58 AM	#6
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,151	Thanks guys very much.Jeff

07-14-2006, 11:14 AM	#7
tom Grade 1 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 644	I remember Doc telling us that he looked at the F3 of early horses when they win, to see what it took for them to hold on. He said that a fast F3 in losing effort was mis-representing the horse's winning ability.