Bill Ziemba passed away - Page 2 - Pace and Cap

Mitch44 · 07-01-2022, 10:23 AM

Dr Z shared his Pick 6 process with me at Saratoga, he was known to hit quite a few of them and had the money play many combinations. I was somewhat surprised at his method of attack for such a wager but based on his background it made sense. He knew the value of brainstorming.

I had computer problems about a month or so ago and deleted it as part of cleaning up. Never used it at all. I've heard several other experts say too many go for longshots to hit the P-6 rather than what's there. Dr Z's approach simply was consensus from several places or sources.

Mitch44

mick · 07-01-2022, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitch44

Dr Z shared his Pick 6 process with me at Saratoga, he was known to hit quite a few of them and had the money play many combinations. I was somewhat surprised at his method of attack for such a wager but based on his background it made sense. He knew the value of brainstorming.

I had computer problems about a month or so ago and deleted it as part of cleaning up. Never used it at all. I've heard several other experts say too many go for longshots to hit the P-6 rather than what's there. Dr Z's approach simply was consensus from several places or sources.

Mitch44

Mitch,

As you know, he never made any pretense about being a handicapper. He was a BETTOR, in capital letters. He had about half a dozen sources that he trusted and from their opinions, he put together his tickets.

I was with him for the Breeders' Cup several years ago and we put together a Pick 6 ticket that came within a horse's head of hitting. He scribbled our bets on a piece of scratch paper and called them in to his rebater/bookie. I brought that piece of paper back home and created a simple spreadsheet which I've attached.

Mitch44 · 07-01-2022, 01:11 PM

Dr Z was a brilliant man and knew brainstorming brings to the forefront ideas to further any problem or endeavor. Bringing about the ability to capitalize on the public's weakness and inefficiency of pools and also opposite to bring about their proficiency at the game itself. (Actually, or probably a takeoff of an original study by Fabricant (1965).

He was a BETTOR Mick which came from confidence and hitting many of P-6. He defined the odds of success to a difficult game to conquer, and I can't help but wonder what Sartin, Bradshaw and Dr Z could have cooked up.

Mitch44

gandalf380 · 07-01-2022, 01:12 PM

Well stated Mick. He realized early on that a consensus of reliable picks was all he needed. His genius was then putting together bets that reflected that consensus. I think that is a lesson for us all.

Mitch44 · 07-02-2022, 12:39 PM

Dr Z wrote over 40 books, also many other articles etc. But I found this recent white paper (circa 2020) very interesting and some others of you may also. Link below. He beat the game before 1984, one of a select few in that era and before to do so. For that he has my admiration and may he rest in peace.

https://www.fmg.ac.uk/sites/default/...-09/dp-103.pdf

Mitch44

RachelZiemba · 08-12-2022, 01:03 PM

Hi all, this is Bill's daughter Rachel. I just wanted to (belatedly) thank you all for sharing your memories of him. He so enjoyed time with you at the track and talking horses - and I enjoyed time with Dad at Saratoga and other tracks. Mom and I really appreciate your memories.

I'm in Saratoga now and will be here most of next week and will be back for Labor Day weekend. If any of you want to meet while I'm here or if you pass through NYC, please be in touch - rachel@ziembainsight.com

Also if any of you would like a copy of any of Dad's latest book on exotic betting, please reach out. I'm happy to ship copies within the US if I knew they were going to a good home.
thanks again and good luck at the track
Rachel

Ted Craven · 08-12-2022, 10:06 PM

Thank you Rachel for visiting us here and adding your memories of your Dad. I still can't grok that he's not still here somewhere, near some racetrack or sitting in his chair watching markets and writing about it all

It was a pleasure to spend a little time with him and with your Mum, though you and I have not met yet (but hope to one day soon).

I am copying this post of yours to the 2022 Saratoga thread where some folks who will be there this August and who posted in that thread will get pinged and maybe connect with you.

Take care, enjoy Saratoga, onwards.

Ted

Tim Y · 08-25-2022, 07:44 PM

A lot of his work was at little Hastings when it was called Exhibition Park, where one of his assistants on those studies (Fraser Rawlinson) is now the track handicapper.

Good guy contributed a lot to the knowledge of this game

noddub62 · 08-26-2022, 02:33 PM

Rachel I received the book yesterday (8 25 2022) and really appreciate your generosity. Looking forward to it improving my wagering game.

Thanks again,
Bud

Tim Y · 08-27-2022, 05:06 PM

I was lucky enought to see Nodouble run at Anita during my rookie seasons there.

07-01-2022, 10:23 AM	#11
Mitch44 Grade 1 Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: The Villages, Fl. Posts: 3,705	Dr Z shared his Pick 6 process with me at Saratoga, he was known to hit quite a few of them and had the money play many combinations. I was somewhat surprised at his method of attack for such a wager but based on his background it made sense. He knew the value of brainstorming. I had computer problems about a month or so ago and deleted it as part of cleaning up. Never used it at all. I've heard several other experts say too many go for longshots to hit the P-6 rather than what's there. Dr Z's approach simply was consensus from several places or sources. Mitch44 Last edited by Mitch44; 07-01-2022 at 10:26 AM.

07-01-2022, 01:12 PM	#14
gandalf380 Grade 1 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: central islip ny Posts: 1,090	Well stated Mick. He realized early on that a consensus of reliable picks was all he needed. His genius was then putting together bets that reflected that consensus. I think that is a lesson for us all. __________________ Check out my daily picks for Saratoga in the Saratoga Special http://www.thisishorseracing.com

07-02-2022, 12:39 PM	#15
Mitch44 Grade 1 Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: The Villages, Fl. Posts: 3,705	Dr Z wrote over 40 books, also many other articles etc. But I found this recent white paper (circa 2020) very interesting and some others of you may also. Link below. He beat the game before 1984, one of a select few in that era and before to do so. For that he has my admiration and may he rest in peace. https://www.fmg.ac.uk/sites/default/...-09/dp-103.pdf Mitch44 Last edited by Mitch44; 07-02-2022 at 12:51 PM.

08-12-2022, 10:06 PM	#17
Ted Craven Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 8,853	Thank you Rachel for visiting us here and adding your memories of your Dad. I still can't grok that he's not still here somewhere, near some racetrack or sitting in his chair watching markets and writing about it all It was a pleasure to spend a little time with him and with your Mum, though you and I have not met yet (but hope to one day soon). I am copying this post of yours to the 2022 Saratoga thread where some folks who will be there this August and who posted in that thread will get pinged and maybe connect with you. Take care, enjoy Saratoga, onwards. Ted __________________ RDSS - Racing Decision Support System™

08-25-2022, 07:44 PM	#18
Tim Y turf historian Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 6,455	A lot of his work was at little Hastings when it was called Exhibition Park, where one of his assistants on those studies (Fraser Rawlinson) is now the track handicapper. Good guy contributed a lot to the knowledge of this game __________________ Albert Einstein:"The monotony and solitude of a quiet life stimulates the creative mind."

07-01-2022, 01:11 PM	#13
Mitch44 Grade 1 Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: The Villages, Fl. Posts: 3,705	Dr Z was a brilliant man and knew brainstorming brings to the forefront ideas to further any problem or endeavor. Bringing about the ability to capitalize on the public's weakness and inefficiency of pools and also opposite to bring about their proficiency at the game itself. (Actually, or probably a takeoff of an original study by Fabricant (1965). He was a BETTOR Mick which came from confidence and hitting many of P-6. He defined the odds of success to a difficult game to conquer, and I can't help but wonder what Sartin, Bradshaw and Dr Z could have cooked up. Mitch44

08-12-2022, 01:03 PM	#16
RachelZiemba Maiden Join Date: Jun 2022 Posts: 1	Hi all, this is Bill's daughter Rachel. I just wanted to (belatedly) thank you all for sharing your memories of him. He so enjoyed time with you at the track and talking horses - and I enjoyed time with Dad at Saratoga and other tracks. Mom and I really appreciate your memories. I'm in Saratoga now and will be here most of next week and will be back for Labor Day weekend. If any of you want to meet while I'm here or if you pass through NYC, please be in touch - rachel@ziembainsight.com Also if any of you would like a copy of any of Dad's latest book on exotic betting, please reach out. I'm happy to ship copies within the US if I knew they were going to a good home. thanks again and good luck at the track Rachel

08-26-2022, 02:33 PM	#19
noddub62 Budman Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 797	Rachel I received the book yesterday (8 25 2022) and really appreciate your generosity. Looking forward to it improving my wagering game. Thanks again, Bud

08-27-2022, 05:06 PM	#20
Tim Y turf historian Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 6,455	I was lucky enought to see Nodouble run at Anita during my rookie seasons there. __________________ Albert Einstein:"The monotony and solitude of a quiet life stimulates the creative mind."

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