Go Back   Pace and Cap - Sartin Methodology & The Match Up > Classic Sartin Programs - Support, Discussion
Mark Forums Read
Google Site Search Get RDSS Sartin Library RDSS FAQs Conduct Register Site FAQ Members List Search Today's Posts

Classic Sartin Programs - Support, Discussion Phase III/MPH, Synergism, Energy, Kgen, Entropy, Thoromation, Quad-Rater, PaceLauncher, Synthesis, Validator, Val4, Speculator, etc ...

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-27-2019, 08:16 PM   #11
Bill V.
The egg man
 
Bill V.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
KGrahpt

This screen show the squiggly lines that come from the KGEN program

The top 3 of the SP and EXDC screen win a very high percentage of races

Name:  Kgen graphs.PNG
Views: 351
Size:  28.7 KB
Bill V. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2019, 08:21 PM   #12
Bill V.
The egg man
 
Bill V.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
That is it

This concludes my demo of the Entropy Program

Do you think you can spot the winner of the Tampa Race
based on the screens of Entropy?

Entropy was designed to narrow the race to no more than 4 or 5 contenders
for clients who were entering too many or every horse in the race.

Then the top 4 or 5 were sent to thoromation

Can you spot the winner and place horse in this race without using
Thoromation

I think you can
Bill V. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2019, 06:49 AM   #13
RichieP
Grade 1
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 7,014
Absolutely awesome workup Bill. Thank you for taking the time to lay out all the screens in addition to your thoughts and proper use/evaluation of the screens!

" I bet him because of the corollaries" - Aline Best
__________________
"Grampy I'm talking to you!"
RichieP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2019, 07:35 AM   #14
shoeless
Grade 1
 
shoeless's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,149
Bill

I agree with Richie great demo of using the program thanks

Jeff
shoeless is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2019, 10:50 AM   #15
Mitch44
Grade 1
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: The Villages, Fl.
Posts: 3,705
Bill: My favorite program of all the older programs was and is Entropy.

When I first came to RDSS it was still on the final screen with BLBL etc. Ted removed it because of redundancy with V/DC. In actually V/DC was birthed from Entropy and is a much greater factor.

What makes V/DC so confusing to the majority is the format Sartin used to display it. Americans by and large are oriented on a scale of 100 which is why the simplicity of TPR and the old Entropy are still very popular. Also I guess it was meant to keep the pirates at bay. Users quickly get the Entropy format. As Sartin said people learn and grasp by different means so he used graphs, numbers, segment screens etc.

I can get winners from the Energy Generator screen alone because of concept. Sartin always stressed the understanding of concept which took a long time to develop in my brain housing group. Is Entropy the golden grail or as good as the present RDSS program? Hell no! Every program produced by Sartin was an improvement internally and produced more winners. Why settle for a bite when yo can have the whole enchilada.

At the time Entropy was a great tool for deciding a proper pace line but the Preceptor does a much better and simplistic job today. The nemesis of Entropy and Thoromation was that pesky 1 and 2 adjust which caused many users to lose races. Through research Sartin was able to eliminate it and greatly improve its proficiency.

Thanks for the memories Bill and great interpretation of all the screens. Hope your well Bill and winners jump up off the page at you.


Mitch44

Last edited by Mitch44; 03-28-2019 at 11:01 AM.
Mitch44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2019, 05:35 PM   #16
shoeless
Grade 1
 
shoeless's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,149
I dont think the purpose of this was to compare Entropy to RDSS

Bill thanks again very much for taking the time to demonstrate it
shoeless is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2019, 06:26 PM   #17
shoeless
Grade 1
 
shoeless's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,149
Richie

I really miss the times when you used to do races with the various
computer programs, you made some really good videos. Your knowledge
with the readouts along with Bill were the best.

Jeff
shoeless is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2019, 07:43 PM   #18
Mitch44
Grade 1
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: The Villages, Fl.
Posts: 3,705
Shoeless:

My thread was about Entropy and its evolution into V/DC as in todays RDSS, not off topic and appropriate to RDSS and Sartin material. Members are mature enough on this site to choose their own courses of action, Sartin always allowed free flow of ideas. That choice not only includes what program they use but also what they read.


By brainstorming and staying on topic many have the information to make more informed decisions. Sartin was a firm believer in progression or in layman terms if your stalled in the middle of the road you're about to get run over by a piggy back semi truck. I'm in the cab riding with Sartin as he drives on to the objective.


Mitch44
Mitch44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2019, 10:52 PM   #19
shoeless
Grade 1
 
shoeless's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,149
Hi Bill

To get back to the topic at hand would Entropy varigate the race the same
as the Energy program would

Jeff
shoeless is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2019, 07:05 AM   #20
Bill V.
The egg man
 
Bill V.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
Jeff

The screen that variegates the race Early or OTE would be the
KGRAPHs
This feature was added once clients found out that Entropy could be used as a handicapping program,

Entropy was first developed and was called DC Pars.
It was a tool to narrow the race down to just a few contenders,
Those true contenders which rated well on Entropy were then sent to Thoromation
Bill V. is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Entropy method Race 8 AQU 3/3 Bill V. Classic Sartin Programs - Support, Discussion 3 03-04-2019 06:39 PM
Parx race 6 9/1/14 Entropy handicapping Bill V. Classic Sartin Programs - Support, Discussion 1 09-02-2014 09:39 PM
Pimlico Special -Entropy Bill V. Races of Interest 5 05-17-2014 08:00 AM
Entropy & other questions winning RDSS2 / FAQ's 1 11-26-2012 08:40 PM
C++ manual entry program smilingtiger General Discussion 4 06-24-2009 05:38 PM


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:16 PM.