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07-27-2017, 08:18 AM | #21 |
The egg man
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Hi Jeff
You and FTL and Pino all woke me up to READ THE CONDITIONS You know how much I admire you and your ability Hope you are doing well as usual with ENERGY Good Skill Bill |
07-27-2017, 08:31 AM | #22 |
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07-27-2017, 10:24 AM | #23 | |
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Intrinsic value
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The intrinsic value does not depend on what the world thinks. It is something of value to us regardless of what others think and what it costs us to live those beliefs. FTL.. I for one have always looked forward to your contributions of your well thought out and well written detailed posts. it takes effort, energy and time to write out our inner thoughts on the point of discussions. I would rather read your contributions a thousand times over some spewed out post of someone's picks before the race or a "Red Boarder" who posted his supposedly winning picks after a race is over. I have said it many times over that I would rather "learn to fish to live" versus "being given a fish to eat". FTL, many thanks for your invaluable insights and contributions over the years. They provided many impetus to think outside the proverbial box and to approach the game from the gained experiences and wisdom from someone who has selfishly shared their knowledge freely in a public settings without writing a book. Sincerely Lone Speed |
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07-27-2017, 08:22 PM | #24 |
Grade 1
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Hey Bill
I think you have surpassed me in understanding conditions Energy is a good program I am probably not using it correctly but trying Jeff |
07-27-2017, 08:28 PM | #25 |
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FTL,
I have been playing the horses for 50 years, sure I have had big winning days but never been a consistent winner. People probably think I am crazy still trying to beat game at 66 but I don't bet over what I cant afford to. There are plenty of people here who have benefitted from your advice so I wouldn't let those few who don't bother you. I know it's on here somewhere but if you have time could you go over optional claiming races.That is one condition I have trouble with of what horses fit Jeff |
07-28-2017, 11:38 AM | #26 |
The egg man
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Option
Hi Jeff
Our long friendship has shown me, We have a common bond, We have had to endure a hard road, I know you have the skill I feel for you. You have dreams. I see in you a desire to never give up. I won't give up thinking it will all come together for you. My hope that soon your love of racing will reward you. Dad and I were chatting the other day and he asked how you are doing. I told him you are doing well, he admires you so much, You made a lasting impression on us both. FTL knows so much, Here is what I have learned from him. The Optional Claiming condition, Actually I posted a race yesterday from Del Mar It was an Allowance Optional Claimer The winner of the race. Horse # 7 was the only horse eligible to be claimed. They raised the horse in class after so much success at Golden Gate None of the other horses in the race were up for sale. In the race, every other horse had recent wins at the CL40000 level. Today's race was for $62500 Not many older horses are going to be claimed for $62500. If they carded a race for 62500 the field would never fill. If a horse is worth 62500 and is offered for sale It will be claimed and the connections would lose probably one of the best horses in their barn. This field looked like a group of established claimers, Only horse 3 and the favorite horse 5 had any stakes races shown. They have to add conditions to high level claiming races, There just are not that many places for them to compete in straight allowance Nonwinners X3 and they might be unable to win stakes races. |
07-28-2017, 04:21 PM | #27 |
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Bill has it.
Look, read the basic type of race. I'm not going to list all of them, but here are a few standard types: Graded Stakes Allowance Claiming Maiden Special weight Maiden Claiming Maiden Special Weight and Maiden Claiming don't have conditions, they have restrictions, such as restricted to "STATE BREDS". When you get to claiming races you start finding a bunch of different conditions. Some are standard, like NW2L, NW3L, NW4L, NW16M, NW26M, NW1Y, NW2Y and so on. Others are actually "made up". An example would be "for horses that have not been in the money at the current meet". Some don't even apply to the horses, like "for trainers that have not won a race at the current meet". You'll find these types of conditions at tracks like Turf Paradise , Finger Lakes and other very low level tracks. When you get to Allowance races you can find a NW2L condition. Mostly at cheaper tracks. Once you get away from those low level tracks the most common condition for horses entering the Allowance ranks is "non-winners of a race other than maiden, claiming, or state bred". Another entry level condition is "non winners of $ (a stated amount of money) one time other than maiden, claiming or state bred. These conditions escalate from non winners of "a" race to non winners of "2" races and so on. A successful horse will eventually run out of conditions, at which point they enter the "Stakes and Graded" class levels. Ok, so now to answer your specific question. Start by reading the race type. "Allowance Optional Claiming". That in itself tells you something about the condition of the race. What it means is, the race will be run under allowance conditions, such as the ones I mentioned above. Once you reach the end of the allowance condition of the race your will see "OR" which means there is another "option" to be eligible to enter the race. That "option" is that you may enter you horse as long as it is eligible to be claimed for whatever the specific claiming price is. The race is basically an allowance race, but in hopes of "filling" the race so it will go, the option to be claimed is added. This is similar to a claiming race with a NW26M condition that also allows NW3L to enter so the race will fill. Hope this helps.
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07-28-2017, 04:55 PM | #28 |
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FTL and Bill thanks you cleared that up
Now you made me think of another race that gives me trouble Allowance ranks is "non-winners of a race other than maiden, claiming, or state bred" also non winners of 2 other than What type of horses should I be looking at that would fit at this level Jeff |
07-28-2017, 04:58 PM | #29 |
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Bill
Thanks I feel the same way about you and your Dad. Like I have said before I really admire the way that you stick to one way of doing things and are successful at it also the way your able to win with all of the programs Jeff |
07-28-2017, 05:51 PM | #30 |
Grade 1
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Location: Thornhill ON
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Exciting to see FTL and Bill go the extra mile
I have no success over the years just reading
But seeing the results has made me a believer in reading the conditions up to the word OR Nice to keep this topic alive
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