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Old 04-30-2017, 05:19 PM   #1
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Old 04-30-2017, 05:30 PM   #2
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Old 05-02-2017, 12:37 AM   #3
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i copied the pages out of the book. AND Bill check the 7f ratings in my book it starts 34.5 100 the 36 is written over and is 35 all the through. just the 7f
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My charts which are original from the book are the same as Bill's with 35=100 at 7F.
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Old 05-02-2017, 02:36 PM   #5
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My charts which are original from the book are the same as Bill's with 35=100 at 7F.
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the numbers were the same but when i got the book about 10 years ago the 7f
# was changed and written over. mine reads for 100-34.5 and it is printed. but my value for 97 is 35.1 which is written over. the tenth #. and my value for
95 is 35. my chart seems to be off by a a couple numbers + or -. just for 7f
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Perhaps who ever had that book only played one track and perhaps he found it to be a better adjustment etc. Each track has certain particularizes. Normally one would make these adjustments in your head and leave the chart alone

Then again I have the first edition and perhaps some of the co-authors of the 2nd edition insisted on it. The 2nd edition did have a couple different authors and even Sartin dropped out. So who knows the reason yours is different?

Myself I would use 35 and be consistent with all the other numbers in the original book that haven't changed. Till someone can prove the case or a reason for the change I'll remain with what has proven itself.

Ponder this: The owner of that book only played 7F races and changed it, went broke and sold the book. Your choice, good handicapping and I wish you great success Reverge.

BTW the difference between a 35 and a 35.5 at 7F is 2 & 3/4 lengths, not a small matter.
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Perhaps who ever had that book only played one track and perhaps he found it to be a better adjustment etc. Each track has certain particularizes. Normally one would make these adjustments in your head and leave the chart alone

Then again I have the first edition and perhaps some of the co-authors of the 2nd edition insisted on it. The 2nd edition did have a couple different authors and even Sartin dropped out. So who knows the reason yours is different?

Myself I would use 35 and be consistent with all the other numbers in the original book that haven't changed. Till someone can prove the case or a reason for the change I'll remain with what has proven itself.

Ponder this: The owner of that book only played 7F races and changed it, went broke and sold the book. Your choice, good handicapping and I wish you great success Reverge.

BTW the difference between a 35 and a 35.5 at 7F is 2 & 3/4 lengths, not a small matter.
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my book was not 2nd hand. one of the authors put a message in the book to thank me. i have the book in storage and i for get the name. do think its 2nd ed.
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how many of yinz use the chart. i use the trackmaster 1.50 PP's with the adjusted times and BL lgths. to me not as much math :-)
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Old 05-02-2017, 09:05 PM   #9
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Hi Chef

Mitch is correct. The tables/charts I made are exact copies of the ones in the original hardbound edition of Pace Makes The Race
Pages 38.39,40 and 41

I agree with Mitch. If you are seeing different numbers printed It's probably because somebody decided the numbers for 7- furlongs should be adjusted,
If somebody then changes them by hand, I would think that person played
at a track where there was some kind of anomaly at the 7-furlong distance.


Anyway, Its easy to check, what is going on at your track, Just record the
3rd fraction of a bunch of 7-furlong races with a 0 or close DTV
(in RDSS) and establish a norm, then do the same thing with another distance like 6 furlongs, and use the chart as a parallel time chart

In the chart above a 35 3rd fraction at 7 furlongs is equal a 22-second 3rd fraction at 6 furlongs 22 is really a fast third fraction so I can not imagine what horses are running 34.5 3rd fractions at 7 furlongs

On Saturday Parx ran 2 100,000 stakes races at 7 furlongs Race 7 and Race 8

I don't know the DTV but The winner of race 7 ran a 37.20 3rd fraction
The winner of race 8 ran a 37 3rd fraction

a 34.5 3rd fraction seems mighty fast to me

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35.0 is something you would see only in a very high class Grade 1 type race. Their the only horses I ever see exceeding these 100 figures.

The example I used of 2 & 3/4 lengths was the actual beaten length for the difference for FPS..

In phase 1 that difference of .50 or 1/2 of 1/5th in TPR from those charts is 1/2 of a length. Now I ask you; how many races are won and lost by less than 1/2 of a length ? The point here is not to fool with the charts and use a consistent approach for beaten lengths which is what they are designed to do.

Reverge I wish you much success with them.
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