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Old 05-03-2009, 09:27 AM   #1
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what you should read

You will do well with the Sartin Methodology If you visit the
Pace and Cap library and read the yellow manual, the Dynamics
of Energy and the POW I know there are lots of other manuals
and audio files in there but I feel its bets to start with the basics
first Audio files and videos are for a little later.

You will need to use a Sartin Methodology program
I suggest you start out with either Spec 160 or RDSS
but that is up to you I teach best with RDSS

Reading these manuals will get you a good base
After that. Then you should read follow ups 70 -88
You will now be learning what Howard Sartin considered vital
for todays racing

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Old 06-01-2009, 07:10 PM   #2
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Old 06-02-2009, 08:35 AM   #3
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Old 06-02-2009, 10:42 AM   #4
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Hi Bill...

You just reminded me a question that I was gonna ask , but forgot

Now it hit me

In the early issues of The Follow-Up, I believe the average win percentage of most members was between 40-50 %...With the finding of calculating the APV horse rating and a newly developed software program..most members jumped into the 60-70% range...
I'm going off the top of my head hear , I might be wrong , but with this new technical software age where in now...How come this 70% is not happening ?

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Old 06-02-2009, 07:28 PM   #5
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Great question Mike

I would say that in the early days of the methodology they were expected to and were getting
60-70% winners Reasons ? Well first off the methodology in the beginning was all about
helping non winners "The cure for losing is winning " The methodology main purpose was to
teach how to pick the two horses that gave you the best chance to win the race. Win percentage was everything Early Follow Ups were published so that the methodology teachings could reach more clients
It was a time when programs were constantly being developed and tweaked to maximize win betting
Pirco was very much a place to learn Manuals, seminars, workshops teaching members made it different than what we have today The Methodology was very different than what the mainstream had been learning with for years. The programs were not very expensive and all hand entry My opinion is that actually buying a program and having to learn the art of paceline selection, then hand typing lines into "YOUR"
own program, that not too many other people had access to was a major psychological tool
that got early Sartin methodologists the ability to win 6 or 7 out of every 10 races
What the main stream were using was teaching who should win, The early Sartins had tools
that showed them they had that edge they were getting the best horses
Again my opinion but the early methodologist needed to win and they had Howard Sartin
to help them learn the psychology of winning,
Why not today? well there is so much Internet communication, Programing and date files make it
easier to "play" the races Its been 35 plus years many people have taken this and that from
The early Methodology and its become part of racing that the mainstream now uses
I also feel that exotic betting that is available today takes some of the WIN betting skill
out of many players The early years It was much easier to stay focused
Today the big payouts of trifectas and serial bets These bets to me have a way to play with the mind
"I want to make big money too" is what many people say when those big pay outs are flashed.
I think that maybe deep down, many people don't give the work
and focus they need when they think "ah big deal" I can win a $8.00 horse even with out
a computer, But back then $8.00 and $9.00 horses was what the average win mutual was for
those who were winning 60 - 70 % betting the programs top two choices
About 1991 was when the shift started and The methodology became more geared toward
making people make money at the races not just how to win .

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Old 06-03-2009, 07:48 AM   #6
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As always Bill, great explanation!!

So it was 2 horse betting that did that..

Hey...I think a lot of players wont mind (including me) getting a 6o-70 % winning bets at a $8-9 range...maybe this is the approach that the new members should take , after years of frustration (including me again..lol)

Anyone else?

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Old 06-03-2009, 11:05 AM   #7
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Hmmm...

let do a little math here...

say..bet 10 races...

say..bet 2 horse @$10 each per race= $200

say ...get 7 winners @ $8.40 avg

say..collect $42.00 x 7= $294

ROI = 294/200= 1.47

47% return...

I'll take that

How can we get back to these results?

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I would like to take a look at the Yellow Manual myself. Can I request directions to the library. Thanks in advance
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Thanks Ted,

Much appreciated !

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