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06-05-2013, 06:11 PM | #1 |
AlwNW3X
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: St Paul, MN
Posts: 37
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Hi from a New Member
Hi everyone. My name is Paul and I am a stone cold new member. I have a decent understanding of racing and the form but its scattered about like my 5 years olds bedroom after a day of destruction. I stumbled onto this site trying to find readings about deceleration and found this fascinating. Then I read this and became hooked.
http://www.sartinmethodology.com/pub...inningPMTR.pdf I really want to achieve something here. I'm not looking for quick fixes or fancy software. (down the road I see something called RDSS I think I will like) What I want to do is learn and work my butt off so I can become decent at this game and be able to converse with the rest of you on your level. I would like to start at ground zero and learn everything I can so that when I do work with RDSS I can understand all the columns and how to make them work for me. But mostly I want to go forward with Doctor Sartin's ideas. What can I start with to get a base? I read a thread where For The Lead posted example races for people to learn from. In there it was mentioned something about a beginners manual. Is this the right start point? I couldn't find it upon looking but this is my first day here so... Thank you for your time I appreciate everyone's suggestions. |
06-05-2013, 07:46 PM | #2 |
The egg man
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
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Start with the proper tools
Hi Paul
My advise to you is start right out with RDSS, To succeed your going to have to practice. RDSS is a great tool and there are many free download database files available. plus FTL's teachings are with RDSS screenshots and Ted has many videos using RDSS You can start at the beginning from the early manuals and follow ups and listen to all the audio files Eventually you will find that the Sartin Methodology is only as good as you make it. You will need to know who the contenders are You will need to know which is the proper paceline You will have to make decisions It will all come together If you take from the teaching area what has been offered to you. If you give back with questions and progress reports .You will improve and we all can help each other Is there a beginners manual ? Not really, But everything you will need is available in the library and in your desire to win |
06-05-2013, 07:56 PM | #3 |
Grade 1
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 8,853
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Hi Paul,
Welcome! Sounds sort of like Christmas in June for you! Your query about initial orientation materials sounds similar to a question someone posed earlier this week, about primer materials for a 'rank newcomer'. He was already using RDSS, hence some of the specific points. Here was my response: 1. Use RDSS and download the Example Database which accompanies the RDSS Teaching Forum posts (http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9127). That way, you can follow along with the detailed discussions which include concepts and specific guidelines for paceline selection and contender identification. Plus – you will see fairly quickly how much money you would have made! That will get your (or a brand spanking new person’s) attention and perhaps fortify you/them for the further reading and study.I didn't want to overwhelm the gentleman with dozens of references, but to the above I could add: 1. The Paceline Manual (see the Sartin Library) 2. The Las Vegas 1993 Video Seminar 3. This Matchup compilation document, compiled by a few pretty serious Matchup practitioners: www.sartinmethodology.com/pubs/Bradshaw-Matchup-Forum-Compilation.pdf This represents the 'meat' of the contents of the Hat Check Forum. Don't forget our friend 'Google', which has indexed all the posts on PaceandCap - everything you want to know (more or less): www.rdss2.com/google-sitesearch (or - the link at the left edge of the main site menubar). Perhaps that's enough for now! Time and initiative should take care of the rest. Good luck, good skill! Ted
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06-05-2013, 08:04 PM | #4 | |
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Welcome to Pace and Cap. With respect to what I quoted above, there is no man more qualified that I know of to teach you Doc's way than our own Bill V. Follow his advice to the letter and you will learn how to "go forward with Doctor Sartin's ideas". Best of luck to you. Jim |
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06-06-2013, 12:18 PM | #5 |
AlwNW3X
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: St Paul, MN
Posts: 37
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Thanks to all of your responses. It is like Christmas in that theres a lot to get familiar with. I will take all of your advices and listen to Bill V. closely. Look forward to all of this and when I can get to the point of intelligent poster I will share often.
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06-06-2013, 01:42 PM | #6 |
Grade 1
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 203
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Hey NeedforSpeed,
Welcome! I too am new but really not new. At some time in the future, my story will come out. But, for now I had read Pace Makes the Race awhile ago. I am now rereading it and find it full of valuable information. However, a word of caution, Ted just released RDSS2. What you read in Pace Makes the Race lays a good foundation to start from. However, don't get too bogged down in the "math". It is more important to understand the concepts presented and not to be worrying about calculating variants, adjustments, etc.... That is what RDSS2 is for. With that said, it is well worth the read, but, don't take it as the end all be all to handicapping nirvana. Best of luck, Jim |
06-06-2013, 02:24 PM | #7 | |
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06-06-2013, 03:13 PM | #8 | |
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And always take a good look at Ted's posts. There's a good chance he knows more about RDSS than anyone else. :>) |
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08-22-2013, 03:40 PM | #9 |
AlwNW2X
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Delmar, NY
Posts: 28
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Welcome David! Don't be afraid to ask ? I am new also, and aside from trying to digest Tom Brohamers book Modern Pace Handicapping back in the 90 s I know a teeny bit about the Methodology and that's probably stretching it a bit! These are a GREAT bunch of folks who really want to teach others......so jump right in!
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08-23-2013, 12:57 PM | #10 |
Grade 1
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Bobcaygeon,On,Canada
Posts: 1,308
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I also add my welcome..Follow all of the above advice and you're well on your way. Good luck.
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