Turn Time

[albatross]

Nobody here mention it anymore.Yet in book pace makes race speak highly of it. Does rdss have that in it?.If remenber correctly sartin eluded to TT represent pace.form ,class.Just curious ?

[Bill V.]

Hi
Yes Turn Time or TT is in RDSS

It is one of the Primary factors

[For The Lead]

Here is what everyone should understand.

1 - TURN TIME is the second fraction
2 - the ONLY DISTANCE...I say again, the ONLY DISTANCE with a true turn time is 5.5 furlongs, since it is truly run on a turn.

Take for an example a 7 furlong race. The second fraction is run on the straight away...hardly a "turn" time.

The best thing everyone can do is get a track layout of a 1 mile oval. Locate the start of each distance and then locate the points of call, i.e. first call, second call, stretch call and finish. When you see where the second fraction is located you will see for yourself exactly where the second fraction or "turn time" is actually being run.

Once you have satisfied yourself that you understand where the turn time takes place, the next thing to understand is how using different distances affects the turn time readout you see.
Obviously, the fastest turn time in sprint races comes at 7 furlongs, since the turn time (second fraction) is run on a straight. The next fastest turn time will be at 6.5 furlongs and so on. This is true since horses run faster on a straight than they do on a turn. Therefore, the slowest turn times will happen at 5.5 furlongs, where the second fraction is run completely "on the turn".

Notice in Bill V's example (above) the two horses ranked "WORST" on turn time are the two horses with 5.5 furlong lines. This is because they have a "true" turn time, whereas the other horses coming out of 6 furlong races did NOT run their second fractions "completely on a turn", therefore their turn times will be faster.

Naturally, the second fraction is a part of the second call time and therefore will have an affect on second call rankings based on the distance of the lines used.

Obviously, the only way to get a true comparison is to use the same distance for each line for each horse. Sometimes this is hard to do.

[rmath]

FTL, very nice breakdown and explanation.
Always enjoy your posts.
rmath

[lsosa54]

Very good point by FTL. Brohamer always emphasized the same back in the 80's. I think he has a good section in his book. As an an isolated factor, I've never found any use for it. When comparing a pace duel into the turn or a move by an EP/P, it can be very useful.

I'm also not sure whether the RDSS TT is the simple fractional turn time or contains additional Sartin formulas. Back in the Synergism II days, I believe Purdy had come up with some "enhanced" version of TT.

You will notice large turn time differences when you get to 7F and also when comparing to a bullring such as FPX.

[trotman]

For The Lead true to form and your handle, leave no stone unturned. When it comes to explanations you truly are In The Lead, great job partner.

[albatross]

FTL thanks for your explanation tracks like beuiah where most run same dist would be good place to try to get fields all same dist.Thanks agian everybody