Improving form indicators in RDSS - Pace and Cap

redtick79 · 05-15-2011, 09:22 AM

Is there a way to judge improving or declining form using the current corollaries in RDSS? I use a "sheet" product that I have to buy in addition, which is useful in judging improving form and wondered if any
of the internal pace times would show the same thing? I love RDSS and anxiously awaiting 2.0. Thanks!

SilentRun · 05-15-2011, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redtick79

Is there a way to judge improving or declining form using the current corollaries in RDSS? I use a "sheet" product that I have to buy in addition, which is useful in judging improving form and wondered if any
of the internal pace times would show the same thing? I love RDSS and anxiously awaiting 2.0. Thanks!

I recommend checking the Total Energy numbers for the last 3 races.
For example if the last 3 TE numbers are declining this indicates to me that
the horse, by losing energy, is going off form. You may also wish to check the E/Ep numbers which
indicates how long is the horse taking to get to the 2nd call.

Ernie

alydar_ David · 05-15-2011, 12:09 PM

Assuming all of the horse's last three races were run recently on similar distances and surfaces:

Declining Total Energy AND increasing Median Energy % is a powerful negative indicator.

benzer · 05-15-2011, 07:14 PM

Like everything in racing you need to verify the effectiveness at the track you're wagering, I'm having some good luck with the binder improver. Horses rated 4 or 5 for bl/bl and rated 1 or 2 vdc. The screenshots below show an example from CD yesterday.

The only reason I was on this horse is because the binder improver told me to take another look at him. Notice the winner is rated 5th on the bl/bl and rated 2nd on vdc, also the morning line maker had it at 3-1 and the horse had some other good rankings. I'm a 2 horse better and this one screamed bet me! bet me!

The results

benzer · 05-15-2011, 08:21 PM

Since we are not using the RDSS 2.0 version Ted might want to move this thread somewhere else. If my screenshot examples were to big, I'm sorry I had to bring the images in from offsite.

Improving or declining form is a good question and can be confusing when horses are changing distance, off layoff, surface, new track ect. Then again reading into that is part of the excitement of horse racing.

mikesal57 · 05-16-2011, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by alydar_David

Assuming all of the horse's last three races were run recently on similar distances and surfaces:

Declining Total Energy AND increasing Median Energy % is a powerful negative indicator.

HI AD....

suppose your horse ran 2nd three races back in a 5000 claimer

2 back last race he was in 7500 and showed speed to the stretch and folded

last race he lead at first call and lost by 30 lts vs 10000 claimers

does he fill your bill as a declining horse?

like benzer said " reading " and understanding is horseracing

mike

alydar_ David · 05-17-2011, 06:09 AM

Hi Mike,

I threw that out there as a general rule of thumb. In general it works.

Of course using your head and handicapping will improve your results. You obviously know how to handicap.

In your specific example the last race may have been a "workout within a race," but that's a little advanced and not quite relevant to the thread.

Also, you didn't mention that class level of the competition he's facing today. That would be another factor to consider. And knowing what the trainer has done historically in that situation couldn't hurt either, as I'm sure you're well aware.

mikesal57 · 05-17-2011, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alydar_David

Hi Mike,

I threw that out there as a general rule of thumb. In general it works.

Of course using your head and handicapping will improve your results. You obviously know how to handicap.

In your specific example the last race may have been a "workout within a race," but that's a little advanced and not quite relevant to the thread.

Also, you didn't mention that class level of the competition he's facing today. That would be another factor to consider. And knowing what the trainer has done historically in that situation couldn't hurt either, as I'm sure you're well aware.

opps ...I think you figure that out yourself ..5000...lol
This is why its a GREAT game

mike

alydar_ David · 05-17-2011, 02:57 PM

Yeah Mike, I assumed you meant 5K.

However, we all know what a s s u m e stands for. LOL

redtick79 · 05-18-2011, 10:19 PM

I think I will look at ascending or descending total energy first to see what the correlation is. Thanks for your replies.

05-15-2011, 09:22 AM	#1
redtick79 Maiden Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2	Improving form indicators in RDSS Is there a way to judge improving or declining form using the current corollaries in RDSS? I use a "sheet" product that I have to buy in addition, which is useful in judging improving form and wondered if any of the internal pace times would show the same thing? I love RDSS and anxiously awaiting 2.0. Thanks!

05-15-2011, 07:14 PM	#4
benzer AlwNW3X Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 49	binder improver Like everything in racing you need to verify the effectiveness at the track you're wagering, I'm having some good luck with the binder improver. Horses rated 4 or 5 for bl/bl and rated 1 or 2 vdc. The screenshots below show an example from CD yesterday. The only reason I was on this horse is because the binder improver told me to take another look at him. Notice the winner is rated 5th on the bl/bl and rated 2nd on vdc, also the morning line maker had it at 3-1 and the horse had some other good rankings. I'm a 2 horse better and this one screamed bet me! bet me! The results

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05-15-2011, 12:09 PM	#3
alydar_ David Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,654	Assuming all of the horse's last three races were run recently on similar distances and surfaces: Declining Total Energy AND increasing Median Energy % is a powerful negative indicator.

05-15-2011, 08:21 PM	#5
benzer AlwNW3X Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 49	Since we are not using the RDSS 2.0 version Ted might want to move this thread somewhere else. If my screenshot examples were to big, I'm sorry I had to bring the images in from offsite. Improving or declining form is a good question and can be confusing when horses are changing distance, off layoff, surface, new track ect. Then again reading into that is part of the excitement of horse racing.

05-17-2011, 06:09 AM	#7
alydar_ David Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,654	Hi Mike, I threw that out there as a general rule of thumb. In general it works. Of course using your head and handicapping will improve your results. You obviously know how to handicap. In your specific example the last race may have been a "workout within a race," but that's a little advanced and not quite relevant to the thread. Also, you didn't mention that class level of the competition he's facing today. That would be another factor to consider. And knowing what the trainer has done historically in that situation couldn't hurt either, as I'm sure you're well aware.

05-17-2011, 02:57 PM	#9
alydar_ David Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,654	Yeah Mike, I assumed you meant 5K. However, we all know what a s s u m e stands for. LOL

05-18-2011, 10:19 PM	#10
redtick79 Maiden Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2	I think I will look at ascending or descending total energy first to see what the correlation is. Thanks for your replies.