Go Back   Pace and Cap - Sartin Methodology & The Match Up > RDSS 2.1
Mark Forums Read
Google Site Search Get RDSS Sartin Library RDSS FAQs Conduct Register Site FAQ Members List Search Today's Posts

RDSS 2.1 Racing Decision Support System - The NEW Version!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-01-2019, 01:33 PM   #1
gillb
AlwNW2X
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 28
CSR / Composite Speed Rating

One of many questions.
Has anyone did a serious look (model) of this factor?
From Ted's writings he considers it a strong factor.
Thanks.,
gillb
gillb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2019, 01:48 PM   #2
Lt1
Grade 1
 
Lt1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Valley Stream NY
Posts: 2,092
Richie Mathie [ R.Math] is the guy to check with. That's his baby and he has great stats on it. Shoot him a p.m. and he'll fill you in.
Tim
__________________
Trust but verify
Lt1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2019, 04:07 PM   #3
gillb
AlwNW2X
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 28
CSR / Composite Speed Rating

Can someone please help with this RDSS2 factor.
Matbe r.math
Thanks
gillb
gillb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2019, 06:39 PM   #4
Lt1
Grade 1
 
Lt1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Valley Stream NY
Posts: 2,092
Hey gillb send him a pm. I talked with him today he will help you.
Tim
__________________
Trust but verify
Lt1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2019, 06:51 PM   #5
gillb
AlwNW2X
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 28
Csr

Hi Tim … thanks
I can't find his email/contact.
Bernie
gillb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2019, 08:42 PM   #6
Lt1
Grade 1
 
Lt1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Valley Stream NY
Posts: 2,092
Bernie I'll send you a pm in a few.
Tim
__________________
Trust but verify
Lt1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2019, 12:31 PM   #7
Ted Craven
Grade 1
 
Ted Craven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Huntsville, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 7,494
Bernie, you can read about the Composite Speed Rating (CSR), new to RDSS2 (i.e. not in older Sartin programs) in the RDSS Documentation PDF found in the RDSS Documentation section.

Here is the link to the RDSS Documentation PDF, which you can download and read for handy reference:

http://www.rdss2.com/pubs/RDSS2.1.Glossary.pdf

CSR is first mentioned on Page 3 of the Documentation. In the PDF, you can search for Composite Speed Rating or CSR to find other references to this factor.

You can also search the P&C site using the Site Search tool (http://www.sartinmethodology.com/googlesearch) to find existing discussions about CSR and its usage.

Still, I can recommend you talk to Dick M (rmath) about the work he has done with this and other factors. He has done that a lot in other discussion threads.

Ted
__________________

R
DSS -
Racing Decision Support System™

Last edited by Ted Craven; 12-02-2019 at 12:32 PM. Reason: moved this thread from Older Sartin Programs Forum
Ted Craven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2019, 07:39 AM   #8
Bill V.
The egg man
 
Bill V.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 9,888
Non Paceline

Hello

Here are some stats from my SoCal RDSS model
DMR and SA - All races

Factors APV, CR ,CSR, CR+, PL, RX1,2,3

Name:  Over view.PNG
Views: 122
Size:  21.8 KB
Bill V. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2019, 12:28 PM   #9
Bill Lyster
Grade 1
 
Bill Lyster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Escondido CA just 25 minutes from where the turf meets the surf - "...at Del Mar"
Posts: 2,109
Bill,

Just a question. Is the CSR stat shown in your post, the original CSR that you get when you open RDSS or is it the adjusted CSR (if required)?

The reason I ask is when, say, a horse is running today at 9F but its last or second last race was an 11F or 12F race the usually slow adjusted speed rating from the marathon makes the CSR rank vs the other horses so low as to not be in the top 5 CSR. The CSR can also be low if the last or second to last race involved a significant trouble notation, in which case you might want to have the program not use the troubled race.

Regards,
Bill Lyster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2019, 07:35 PM   #10
Bill V.
The egg man
 
Bill V.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 9,888
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Lyster View Post
Bill,

Just a question. Is the CSR stat shown in your post, the original CSR that you get when you open RDSS or is it the adjusted CSR (if required)?

The reason I ask is when, say, a horse is running today at 9F but its last or second last race was an 11F or 12F race the usually slow adjusted speed rating from the marathon makes the CSR rank vs the other horses so low as to not be in the top 5 CSR. The CSR can also be low if the last or second to last race involved a significant trouble notation, in which case you might want to have the program not use the troubled race.

Regards,
Hi Bill

Lovely weather we are having here in Northern San Diego. If I could I would be building an Ark

Bill What I posted from my model is out of the box RDSS. I am not sure how to adjust the CSR numbers

What I can do is post my SoCal model sorted to eliminate any race longer than 8.5 furlongs. This way in the few instances were a horse had been running marathons, and now is cutting back to 8.5 or less, I don't think the percentages would be much different.

Here is the chart from above but with no races longer than 8.5 furlongs

Name:  only less.PNG
Views: 86
Size:  20.7 KB
Bill V. is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
BVD rating Bill V. Sartin Methodology Handicapping 101 (102 ...) 20 09-21-2017 11:59 AM
The "best" speed rating of the last 3 at a comparable distance surface and competitio Bill V. General Discussion 8 04-29-2014 04:38 PM
Composite Speed Rating - CSR Bill V. General Discussion 117 12-21-2013 12:39 PM
Question - RDSS - Adjusted Speed Rating partsnut RDSS2 / FAQ's 5 12-13-2011 11:40 AM
The Modern Sartin Methodology... Charlie D RDSS 29 08-31-2008 03:12 PM


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:58 PM.