Handicapping Magic

[shoeless]

Sadly in handicapping there will always be some kind of
a lonesome feeling .

Bill,You are right as Im sure you heard in the tapes better to play the races alone.But I think once in awhile you should get together with friends and go and make it a social outing.Jeff

[Tim Y]

Originally Posted by Profiler8

is Handicapping Magic worth a read ?
I have seen, that the author sells so much different seminars through Post Time Daily. Are they worth the price ?

His ideas on turf racing alone has changed my fortunes on the lawn and lead to the longest price I ever collected +$123.00.

His ideas on turf sprints are great as well: LEAVE THEM ALONE!!!

[shoeless]

Tim,You know your right about turf sprints I love turf racing and never had any luck with them.

[Bob Cochran]

Hi Jeff. Reading your post on going to the track with friends brought back
some fond memories. One of the biggest problems with group handicapping,
is the deadly phrase "who do you like".

It's quite educational to gather for different opinions on who the real contenders are in a race. Once you decide who "your" contenders are, you
must go off to yourself and make your wagers. Once you have tickets in hand, then and only then, should you discuss "who you like to win".

It's simple enough to decide the contenders in a group, but the problem arises
when handicappers try to wager as a group. Handicapping is not
a group sport was one of Bob Purdy's pet expressions. I think the wagering
should be made alone, and away from any group. This is the way i do it,
and stll enjoy the company of friends.

BobC

[shoeless]

Hi Bob,Good points.Enjoy listening to you on some of those Sartin seminar tapes.Jeff

[dodeca]

Hi Bob, Totally agree with you. I live minutes from the casinos, but with a computer you always get people asking who doya like. Stay home now and do much better. Still use what I learned from you in a late eighties workshop in Chicago,thanks.
I use HM and rdss. Mostly use HM and ppf for turf racing. Nice spot play is if ppf and rdss agree. Be selective on what to accept for ppf. Just had an across the board bet at Bel-race 7, on the three. Monster ppf and #1 E or #1 L depending on PL used for rdss. Paid 18.60 to P and 11.80 to show.
Richard

[Bob Cochran]

Nice shooting Richard. Listening to some of the tapes allows me to ride in the "way-back machine" Lots of good stuff, and great guys to know.

BobC

[thelyingthief]

fyi:

i am not a person apt to change my handicapping approach, as in adopting the fulcrum concept, without checking its accuracy.

i did a sequence of several hundred races using the fulcrum idea, and found it resoundingly USELESS, regularly isolating too many contenders or too few. i haven't the figures to hand, but it was in the 70 percentile region. WAY TOO LOW TO BE VIABLE, IMHO.

tlt

[RichieP]

Originally Posted by thelyingthief

fyi:

I did a sequence of several hundred races using the fulcrum idea, and found it resoundingly USELESS, regularly isolating too many contenders or too few. i haven't the figures to hand, but it was in the 70 percentile region. WAY TOO LOW TO BE VIABLE, IMHO.
tlt

I agree 100%

[lsosa54]

Originally Posted by thelyingthief

fyi:

i am not a person apt to change my handicapping approach, as in adopting the fulcrum concept, without checking its accuracy.

i did a sequence of several hundred races using the fulcrum idea, and found it resoundingly USELESS, regularly isolating too many contenders or too few. i haven't the figures to hand, but it was in the 70 percentile region. WAY TOO LOW TO BE VIABLE, IMHO.

tlt

My experience as well, tlt, and the final fraction concept wasn't that helpful either. That does not mean that others should not read the book. I think if you grab one nugget from it or any of the tapes I've been putting up, it's a win.

As for Michael's software or other products, I really don't know. Michael may have been trying to reach a mass audience with the fulcrum and the power closing fraction or whatever he called it. I'd rather just work through the match up and look at it that way. I'm not real keen on the bs type marketing approach but from a business standpoint, I would think selling handicapping material would be tough, as the audience is limited. Cynthia Publishing always used the sales letter-marketing hype approach which I detested, but I did find some good material and people there - Dick Mitchell, Gordon Pine, Ron Ambrose, Kitts Anderson, etc., so sometimes you just have to look through the hype.

I always respected Michael's writing within the Follow Ups and in the 1st PMTR book. The problem now is is finding a copy of his book at close to the original selling price. Like the Hat's book, it tends to go for ridiculous amounts on Ebay.