middle - Pace and Cap

admin · 09-01-2007, 11:38 AM

Hello Jim and Rich

I am having a problem I seem to be betting
sustained horse only, when I work races with the match up
I look for the best early, presser and sustained
I working on asking myself Is this early good enough
to go wire to wire ? ,Who will stop him and who can pass them both?
I am kind of stuck on a feeling that the sus horses will
have late energy and they will pass the others
When I lose races is mostly one of the ep or pressers
that overtake the earlys I feel most confident so far
eliminating to slow earlys
I need to keep working races So i can look at the middle too

The deceration factor has been helping me. When I
do different sprint distances in like 5.5's into 7 furlong
races I am seeing that its helping me avoid slow horses
Philly runs 5.5 - 6.0 - 6.5 and 7 furlongs so can
use the times raw since usually the lines are all from Phiily

I'm feeling stronger

I'm looking forward to the newsletter

Bill

RichieP · 09-02-2007, 02:21 PM

Bill
Spoke with Jim about your post.

He suggests to look for horses position wise that are AHEAD of the deep deep sustained types.

He gives this example:
look for position 5-4-3-1 horses that will be ahead of the real deep 10-8-6-1 types.

Let me know if you understand and if it helps ok?

admin · 09-02-2007, 08:28 PM

Hi Richie

This horse is from tonight's PID card
l think line 2 is what you mean

RichieP · 09-02-2007, 11:34 PM

Bill
here is a screen shot.

What Jim is saying is that if you are making a wager decision between the 2 guys shown here you might want to consider the 6 horse who POSITIONALLY is ahead of the 4 at the 1c and 2c.

The 4's 1c-2c in the 2 races are 6/6 and 8/6
The 6's 1c-2c in the 2 races are 4/6 (yes lost position but gained 4 bl against an insanely fast 46.4 and 1:14.1 pace of race.) and 2/1

the 4 is your deep deep guy while the 6 is what you might be calling the "middle" guy

this is Mnr sunday night race 6. Look at the result chart and they pretty much ran this way. 6 was your "middle" with the 4 deep sustained

this is only one example ok?

RichieP · 09-02-2007, 11:39 PM

here is the result chart Bill. see how the 6 gets jump on the deep sustained 5?

That is what Jim refers to ok? The pp's before the race runs shows this to be a distinct possibility

does this help?
Rich

RichieP · 09-02-2007, 11:58 PM

here is a screenshot of ALL lines that fit what Jim is suggesting you look for.

ALL these have that "look" of Other than early but NOT deep deep sustained

ok

admin · 09-03-2007, 07:46 AM

Hi Rich

Thank You this is very helpful I think I
understand what you are showing me

let me see if I can come up with one
I will show you Thanks
Bill

admin · 09-04-2007, 05:27 PM

Hi Rich

This is a race from yesterday at Philly
the 1 and 7 ran just like the readouts showed
They battled around the track the 4 pressed them
and the 3 came up late and won the race
I think the 3 is closer position wise than the 4

Bill

09-01-2007, 11:38 AM	#1
admin Administrator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,643	middle Hello Jim and Rich I am having a problem I seem to be betting sustained horse only, when I work races with the match up I look for the best early, presser and sustained I working on asking myself Is this early good enough to go wire to wire ? ,Who will stop him and who can pass them both? I am kind of stuck on a feeling that the sus horses will have late energy and they will pass the others When I lose races is mostly one of the ep or pressers that overtake the earlys I feel most confident so far eliminating to slow earlys I need to keep working races So i can look at the middle too The deceration factor has been helping me. When I do different sprint distances in like 5.5's into 7 furlong races I am seeing that its helping me avoid slow horses Philly runs 5.5 - 6.0 - 6.5 and 7 furlongs so can use the times raw since usually the lines are all from Phiily I'm feeling stronger I'm looking forward to the newsletter Bill

09-02-2007, 02:21 PM	#2
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,014	Bill Spoke with Jim about your post. He suggests to look for horses position wise that are AHEAD of the deep deep sustained types. He gives this example: look for position 5-4-3-1 horses that will be ahead of the real deep 10-8-6-1 types. Let me know if you understand and if it helps ok? __________________ "Grampy I'm talking to you!"

09-02-2007, 08:28 PM	#3
admin Administrator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,643	Dance Hi Richie This horse is from tonight's PID card l think line 2 is what you mean Attached Images Last edited by admin; 09-02-2007 at 08:34 PM.

09-02-2007, 11:34 PM	#4
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,014	Bill here is a screen shot. What Jim is saying is that if you are making a wager decision between the 2 guys shown here you might want to consider the 6 horse who POSITIONALLY is ahead of the 4 at the 1c and 2c. The 4's 1c-2c in the 2 races are 6/6 and 8/6 The 6's 1c-2c in the 2 races are 4/6 (yes lost position but gained 4 bl against an insanely fast 46.4 and 1:14.1 pace of race.) and 2/1 the 4 is your deep deep guy while the 6 is what you might be calling the "middle" guy this is Mnr sunday night race 6. Look at the result chart and they pretty much ran this way. 6 was your "middle" with the 4 deep sustained this is only one example ok? Attached Images __________________ "Grampy I'm talking to you!" Last edited by RichieP; 09-02-2007 at 11:40 PM.

09-02-2007, 11:39 PM	#5
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,014	here is the result chart Bill. see how the 6 gets jump on the deep sustained 5? That is what Jim refers to ok? The pp's before the race runs shows this to be a distinct possibility does this help? Rich Attached Images __________________ "Grampy I'm talking to you!"

09-02-2007, 11:58 PM	#6
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,014	Perfect "Middle" lines here is a screenshot of ALL lines that fit what Jim is suggesting you look for. ALL these have that "look" of Other than early but NOT deep deep sustained ok Attached Images __________________ "Grampy I'm talking to you!"

09-03-2007, 07:46 AM	#7
admin Administrator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,643	Hi Hi Rich Thank You this is very helpful I think I understand what you are showing me let me see if I can come up with one I will show you Thanks Bill

09-04-2007, 05:27 PM	#8
admin Administrator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,643	pressure Hi Rich This is a race from yesterday at Philly the 1 and 7 ran just like the readouts showed They battled around the track the 4 pressed them and the 3 came up late and won the race I think the 3 is closer position wise than the 4 Bill Attached Images