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05-31-2008, 12:56 PM | #11 |
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Sadly in handicapping there will always be some kind of
a lonesome feeling . Bill,You are right as Im sure you heard in the tapes better to play the races alone.But I think once in awhile you should get together with friends and go and make it a social outing.Jeff |
05-31-2008, 01:15 PM | #12 | |
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His ideas on turf sprints are great as well: LEAVE THEM ALONE!!! |
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05-31-2008, 02:29 PM | #13 |
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Tim,You know your right about turf sprints I love turf racing and never had any luck with them.
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06-01-2008, 12:33 PM | #14 |
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Hi Jeff. Reading your post on going to the track with friends brought back
some fond memories. One of the biggest problems with group handicapping, is the deadly phrase "who do you like". It's quite educational to gather for different opinions on who the real contenders are in a race. Once you decide who "your" contenders are, you must go off to yourself and make your wagers. Once you have tickets in hand, then and only then, should you discuss "who you like to win". It's simple enough to decide the contenders in a group, but the problem arises when handicappers try to wager as a group. Handicapping is not a group sport was one of Bob Purdy's pet expressions. I think the wagering should be made alone, and away from any group. This is the way i do it, and stll enjoy the company of friends. BobC Last edited by Bob Cochran; 06-01-2008 at 12:34 PM. Reason: typo |
06-01-2008, 01:56 PM | #15 |
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Hi Bob,Good points.Enjoy listening to you on some of those Sartin seminar tapes.Jeff
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06-01-2008, 04:30 PM | #16 |
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Hi Bob, Totally agree with you. I live minutes from the casinos, but with a computer you always get people asking who doya like. Stay home now and do much better. Still use what I learned from you in a late eighties workshop in Chicago,thanks.
I use HM and rdss. Mostly use HM and ppf for turf racing. Nice spot play is if ppf and rdss agree. Be selective on what to accept for ppf. Just had an across the board bet at Bel-race 7, on the three. Monster ppf and #1 E or #1 L depending on PL used for rdss. Paid 18.60 to P and 11.80 to show. Richard |
06-01-2008, 06:31 PM | #17 |
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Nice shooting Richard. Listening to some of the tapes allows me to ride in the "way-back machine" Lots of good stuff, and great guys to know.
BobC |
06-15-2008, 11:13 AM | #18 |
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fyi:
i am not a person apt to change my handicapping approach, as in adopting the fulcrum concept, without checking its accuracy. i did a sequence of several hundred races using the fulcrum idea, and found it resoundingly USELESS, regularly isolating too many contenders or too few. i haven't the figures to hand, but it was in the 70 percentile region. WAY TOO LOW TO BE VIABLE, IMHO. tlt |
06-15-2008, 11:38 AM | #19 | |
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06-15-2008, 11:50 AM | #20 | |
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My experience as well, tlt, and the final fraction concept wasn't that helpful either. That does not mean that others should not read the book. I think if you grab one nugget from it or any of the tapes I've been putting up, it's a win. As for Michael's software or other products, I really don't know. Michael may have been trying to reach a mass audience with the fulcrum and the power closing fraction or whatever he called it. I'd rather just work through the match up and look at it that way. I'm not real keen on the bs type marketing approach but from a business standpoint, I would think selling handicapping material would be tough, as the audience is limited. Cynthia Publishing always used the sales letter-marketing hype approach which I detested, but I did find some good material and people there - Dick Mitchell, Gordon Pine, Ron Ambrose, Kitts Anderson, etc., so sometimes you just have to look through the hype. I always respected Michael's writing within the Follow Ups and in the 1st PMTR book. The problem now is is finding a copy of his book at close to the original selling price. Like the Hat's book, it tends to go for ridiculous amounts on Ebay. |
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