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Old 11-16-2008, 07:16 AM   #41
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Race from yesterdays Bris Finals tourney:

Here is the early grouping and the entire pp's for each of them.

1) Is there a horse who dominates the others here? Take your time and look around a bit if you care to.

2) If there is NOT a dominant or clear winner in this group they will ALL get tossed and we change focus QUICKLY to look O.T.E.

Here is the early grouping both together and individual pp's
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Old 11-16-2008, 07:25 AM   #42
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Race from yesterdays Bris Finals tourney:
Now here is the O.T.E. grouping. Note how the lines being focused on with THESE runners.

ALL lines show the O.T.E. movers moving into contention by the STRETCH CALL of the lines being evaluated.

*** Hat Helper***
Remember Hat wants fast Power Moves for O.T.E.'s and Power Moves are NOT made from stretch call to finish.

Here is the O.T.E. grouping both together and entire individual pp's.
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Old 11-16-2008, 07:28 AM   #43
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I will post result chart later.

This thread is now OPEN for comments,questions and feedback.
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Old 11-17-2008, 02:27 AM   #44
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Very interesting way you put this race. You're crackin brain cells here, Rich.

I like that key word "DOMINATE". Creates a picture of the likely leaning of the race or where the winner is more likely to be, Early or OTE.

Losin me marbles on the basics.

You grouped all runners position 1 to 3 as Early portion of race or who will dominate in the front end, if there is a dominate in this group.

Runners 4th and beyond as OTE.

1) If a Early or Early Presser can't win the race, race sets up OTE? Like it say's in the book?

2) Or is anything other than a wire-to-wire win is OTE? A horse that can win from 1st call position of 2HD... is HE Early or OTE?

3) Early Pressers- are they Early or OTE?

4) Horse A sits 2nd or 3rd--1/2 off vs Horse B that sits 2nd or 3rd--3 off.....are they BOTH Early Pressers or is A a true Early Presser and B is just a plain old presser? If B is 3 to 6 lengths off the leaders, he can't be pressin at all, even with his 2nd or 3rd position, can't he?

From the look of the way you grouped these horses , you are 1st looking for the "dominate" horse in positions 1-3 , whatever his style is ....you are asking who simply stands out and dominates from the Early PORTION of the race, runners positions 1-3.

If it's nobody, then throw them all out, the Early PORTION of the race is where the winner will not likely come.

Now who dominates from 4th on with strong power moves is the next question.

Positions 4th to 16th is DEFINATELY Other-Than-Early.

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Old 11-17-2008, 06:57 AM   #45
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Losin me marbles on the basics.

You grouped all runners position 1 to 3 as Early portion of race or who will dominate in the front end, if there is a dominate in this group.
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Thank you for noticing VoodooFan.

First off a quote from post #42 in this thread please:
"THIS is how Mr. Bradshaw matched horses. He thought creatively especially when looking O.T.E. He was also VERY aware of these SUDDEN creative thoughts that would come into his head about a horse. He ACTED on it as he knew the Power of intuition."

Now from post #4 in this thread:
"To "see" these O.T.E. high payers we have to have our "Mind's Eye" looking at the pp's differently. VERY differently to be honest.The really cool part is this is something that can be "learned".

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Now we have to look at that early grouping we have to look closely and ask
1) Is there ONE horse that DOMINATES here?? If there IS that is your horse in the overwhelming majority of races.

2) WHO is the horse who wins THIS early grouping matchup? Check
a) first fraction (yes even in route!)
b) first call
c) second call
d) positions
e) fighting characteristics
check these on all 3 runners/pace lines shown.

3) With the early "winner" in your head and having QUIETLY but QUICKLY gone through the above "checklist" I am gonna suggest to everyone one important thing to do NOW:

Assume there IS a FAST O.T.E. runner from the O.T.E. grouping. Ask yourself internally " is this early grouping winner going to have anything left over to deal with this FAST horse from the other group?

Simple question. Then LISTEN for the answer coming from your Mind's Eye.

Act IMMEDIATELY on the very FIRST feedback you get internally. Early or O.T.E.??

THIS thread is going to show you how to pick double digit higher payers who run O.T.E.
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Old 11-17-2008, 06:59 AM   #46
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Result coming

The result chart for the Aqueduct race above will be shown in the next post.

Heads up if you do NOT want to see it yet ok?
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:08 AM   #47
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Result chart

Here is the result chart showing the destruction.

Fwiw THIS winner along with the 2 others I had in the Brisnet Finals tourney ALL ran O.T.E.

$10.20
$15.40
$27.00

From 10 races that adds up to an outlay of $20.00 with a return of $52.60.

This thread's focus on these "GROUPINGS" is EXACTLY what I did to select the horses man.

I'll get into this race more along with the others later today or tomorrow ok? Then I will leave that up for a few days as the folks who start their workweeks today can see this and take it in a bit.
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:10 AM   #48
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Now we have to look at that early grouping we have to look closely and ask
1) Is there ONE horse that DOMINATES here??

Early or O.T.E.??
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:10 AM   #49
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Now we have to look at that early grouping we have to look closely and ask
1) Is there ONE horse that DOMINATES here??

Early or O.T.E.
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:11 AM   #50
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.Now we have to look at that early grouping we have to look closely and ask
1) Is there ONE horse that DOMINATES here??

Early or O.T.E.
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