Match Up Analysis

[shoeless]

I can fly through races on cards using the colors to help me lock in on spot play races QUICKLY. Less than 5 minutes to scan a complete card of races.

To me now after months of doing the same thing the earlies stand out in my head while the deep sustained do the same in a negative way. This is what I need.

Others do things different as it should be. This is what I do
Richie
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Richie,I thought it would be better not to clutter up Ted's section with this.The only trouble is we are cappin horses not colors,you could miss quite a few things doing it that way.If you look on page 27 of the original Match Up book[i know im in the minority but I think it's better then the 2nd one]Hat gives a great way to anaylize the horses.


1)Look at the horses past performance lines.Identify the normal first fraction time,at a distance comparable to today's distance.WRITE THIS time by the name of each horse.Place a mark next to the time where the horse does his best

2)Follow the procedure for the second call

For me this is the way to do it,I would be interested to see how others go about trying to analyze the pace of today's raceShoeless

[admin]

Hi Jeff

I'm sorry i have been not as active but I'm having some work related set backs and I want to try to do some more research and work my way back into form

What I do is what I have been reading about in the hat check area
I set the running styles Then pick power lines
That is the line were the horse ran against the fastest pace of race and finished competively - I kind of us judgement but in the money finishes
mostly

the nice thing about the software i use is I can list
each power line all together But I also can paper and pencil this step
I get a good idea of what the early runners can do I then set the
projected pace I then pick my lines with this projected pace
and look for plus running lines from the other horses
to pick my lines

Its working very well

BTW I like the Red match up manual
its hard to read but I learn every time I read it

Thanks
Bill

[shoeless]

Bill,Are you using RDSS to do this?The reason Im asking is I was wondering how many out there still do it Hat's way with paper and pencil.Jeff

[admin]

Bill,Are you using RDSS to do this?The reason Im asking is I was wondering how many out there still do it Hat's way with paper and pencil.Jeff

Yes Jeff
I am using Rdss But I am only using the original lines

I like how i can see all the lines together on the analysis screen
But it would be very easy to write the numbers on paper

I love sending the raw data as RAC files over to energy and thoromation
from RDSS
But thats another story

I do find that typing in the lines or in some cases writing
down the numbers does help me so I think you pencil and paper guys
can get a benifit from that

GS
Bill

[shoeless]

Bill,No need for you to be sorry about being active on board lately,you have done plenty here already.Jeff

[shoeless]

WOW 93 views so far and only 2 people have responded,I tip my handicapping cap to you all.

[partsnut]

I chose this race at todays Aqueduct because it seemed to be a good race using both Thoromation and the Match-Up.
To me, the race indicates other then early.
I eventually came up with the following and would like opinions on this race.
I want to see if my procedure is right and don't basically care who wins the race or who gets it right or wrong. This is basically a learning process for me.
I want to keep an open mind to all methods open to me and am not opposed to learning something new.

[simon]

Hello Partsnut
which race is this ?
Thanks RK

[MIKE]

Ragin

I believe that it's the first race.

[simon]

Thank You Mike

[RichieP]

If you look on page 27 of the original Match Up book[i know im in the minority but I think it's better then the 2nd one]Hat gives a great way to anaylyze the horses.


1)Look at the horses past performance lines.Identify the normal first fraction time,at a distance comparable to today's distance.WRITE THIS time by the name of each horse.Place a mark next to the time where the horse does his best

2)Follow the procedure for the second call

For me this is the way to do it

If this is your way to do it excellent!

Consider mapping out a game plan based around this Jeff. What are you going to do after your initial work?

a) software choice if any ?
b) raw or adjusted ?
c) track choice (to give consistency to your work/reads) ?
d) Wager plan?
e) money management?

When you have a-b-c-d written down on paper where you can see it PLEASE consider following the advice Jim G gave you in your starting over thread.

30 days
1 software
1 plan
keep records
play on paper
analyze results after trial period

Jim's advice to you was GOLD in my opinion.
Richie

[shoeless]

Parts,My post was geared more to how you go about doing the race before you start to actually handicap it.But I guess at this point it's better then nothing.Jeff

[shoeless]

A)DRF

B)RAW

C)TAMPA and PHILLY

D&E) STILL NEED TO FIGURE OUT

[partsnut]

Hello Partsnut
which race is this ?
Thanks RK

I apologize, I was in a rush to get out of the house this morning.
The race that I illustrated was Race -1 Aqueduct (today).

[simon]

Hello

I hear you, thanks for asking my opinion

I ran the race in KGEN Thoromation

here are my lines

Horse 1 Line 1 8.0 23.9 48.0 112.4 137.1 5 4 2 1 SP
Horse 2 Line 1 8.3 23.1 47.1 112.1 142.5 4 4 2 3 SP
Horse 4 Line 1 8.3 23.5 47.6 112.6 142.4 1 1 3 3 E
Horse 5 Line 1 8.3 23.2 47.3 111.5 141.1 3 2 2 2 EP
Horse 6 Line 2 8.0 23.4 46.7 111.8 137.4 4 4 2 1 SP
Horse 7 Line 3 9.0 47.4 111.3 150.5 5 5 2 3 S
Horse 8 Line 1 8.3 23.1 47.1 112.3 142.1 5 4 2 1 SP
Horse 9 Line 7 8.3 23.4 46.3 111.6 141.2 2 2 2 2 EP

Projected pace 47.6 112.0

The readouts on the SP Preplay screen that comes up first are
1 6 5
on EXDC its
6 5 9
on thoromation its
6 5 1

Partsnut I have been having best results when
The first screen on preplay and thoromation agree
but some races like this one were they are different
not so much
I quess I will go with 6 and 5

Thanks RK

[simon]

A KGEN Thoromation
B Raw
C any
D two horse win bets only
E 60/40 top two choices odds




Thank you for your post
i really am doing much better following along
over in the Hat Check area

It makes it more fun and I get a much better feeling of a good Job
when I follow Jim and you than just picking lines for all horses

I am very grateful for your work

RK

[RichieP]

Guys
here are the raw Power Lines for Parts's race. As you see some are very deep in pp's.

I don't have these programs to export to ( have a feeling they won't work on Vista)

1) Decide after looking at each horse's past performances if they are a contender today.

2) If no throw the horse out

3) If you feel both the earlies shown are NOT in form/contenders race obviously will run other than early.

4) If you feel 1 of the 2 earlies shown ARE in form/contender then the race will run early and that is the horse.

5) If you feel both earlies ARE in form they cancel each other out based on 1st calls and race will run other than early

Some of you guys with the thoromation software maybe can evaluate contenders and throw in the lines I have shown for the ones you feel ARE contenders. Curious as to what the reads show

safe day everyone
Richie

[simon]

hello Rich
I will send it right over

with Kgen/thromation

[shoeless]

Here is my take on the race

1ST-RED

2ND-GREEN

3RD-YELLOW

BOX THESE IN AN EXACTA


I GIVE UP ON THIS THREAD-SEE YOU ALL DOWN THE ROAD

[partsnut]

RichieP: Some of you guys with the thoromation software maybe can evaluate contenders and throw in the lines I have shown for the ones you feel ARE contenders. Curious as to what the reads showRitchie, Thanks for the response.
When I used Thoromation, I used Sartin recommended "opposite screen" approach. If the race in question has mixed distances > greater then 1 furlong comparing the contenders lines, I would "equalize"
For the running lines. In todays race, I used the raw lines. I used the 2 adjust.
My intial contenders were 1,2,5,7 and 8 in accordance with their power lines.
I narrowed them down using Thoromation and the principles of the Match-Up as I understand them.
If I am misconcepted in my thinking, I would appreciate your correction
I used the "5" as my choice but still have my doubts because this horse is the designated place horse which loses many more races then it wins.
Your contenders seem to verify my choice because I threw out the 2 sprinters (early) as suggested in the Match-Up and looked for the other then early horse which in this case would be a presser or "fighter".
If I am wrong, I would appreciate any corrections you may have. Your input is appreciated and valued. I believe you are very sincere in what you believe and teach.

Let's put aside what was and dwell on what is and will be.:D
Happy New Year to you and all members of Pace and Cap.

[RichieP]

hello Rich
I will send it right over

with Kgen/thromation

Ragin
Don't bother man. I was just trying to give some feedback and it all went south quickly I see.

Safe weekend. Going racing now.
Richie

[simon]

Hello Rich

here are your lines into Kgen Thoromation

First preplay
second preplay
Thoromation

[RichieP]

RichieP: Ritchie, Thanks for the response.
When I used Thoromation, I used Sartin recommended "opposite screen" approach. If the race in question has mixed distances > greater then 1 furlong comparing the contenders lines, I would "equalize"
For the running lines. In todays race, I used the raw lines. I used the 2 adjust.
My intial contenders were 1,2,5,7 and 8 in accordance with their power lines.
I narrowed them down using Thoromation and the principles of the Match-Up as I understand them.
If I am misconcepted in my thinking, I would appreciate your correction
I used the "5" as my choice but still have my doubts because this horse is the designated place horse which loses many more races then it wins.
Your contenders seem to verify my choice because I threw out the 2 sprinters (early) as suggested in the Match-Up and looked for the other then early horse which in this case would be a presser or "fighter".
If I am wrong, I would appreciate any corrections you may have. Your input is appreciated and valued. I believe you are very sincere in what you believe and teach.

Let's put aside what was and dwell on what is and will be.:D
Happy New Year to you and all members of Pace and Cap.

Bill
I agree with every word of your post man. From race shape to contenders to putting things aside.

My sincere best to you.
Richie

[partsnut]

This was indeed a strange race becuase some of the key conteders scratched,
Ragin and I were both right on with the (5) but my indications from Thoromation led me to have some doubts about the (5) the DPH horse which ran 2nd. Ragins screen shots of Thoromation and the pre-play screens had the eventual winner in the top 3.

[shoeless]

Admin,Thanks for being the ONLY ONE to stay on topic here.Jeff

[RichieP]

Hello Rich

here are your lines into Kgen Thoromation

First preplay
second preplay
Thoromation


You will see that after scratching the 6 and 8 that thoromation has the winner right on top on both exdc and thoromation screens based on my power lines.

More than 1 way to skin a cat and NO I did not bet that race nor Aqueduct.

[mufasa]

Bill
I agree with every word of your post man. From race shape to contenders to putting things aside.

My sincere best to you.
Richie

Hey Rich, you and Bill have the patience and determination of a Saint. If there is a Racebook in heaven you guys will have the best seating.

Happy New Year,
Robert

[mufasa]

Hey Rich, you and Bill have the patience and determination of a Saint. If there is a Racebook in heaven you guys will have the best seating.

Happy New Year,
Robert

Rich, the Bill that I am referencing here is Admin. I need to be more careful as to whom I am talking about. You guys offer committed goodwill for which many here at P&C I am sure respect and appreciate, I know I do.

Robert

[admin]

Thank You
I am just one lucky guy Doc also said something very much like your comment My Dad Brooks, too. But Its really just me trying to stay the course of our group motto
just being a friend and looking for friends to help me and for me to help
friends

It all really is about that and Richie believed this site could work
many years ago

Happy new Year Go Giants Go G men
I know you will be watching

[delmarscott2004]

Rich, the Bill that I am referencing here is Admin. I need to be more careful as to whom I am talking about. You guys offer committed goodwill for which many here at P&C I am sure respect and appreciate, I know I do.

Robert

Admin ( Bill ) and RichieP I add my AMEN to mufasa"s last two post