just my opinion

[shoeless]

This is in response to something that Bill[admin] posted on PA


Binder,You are doing just as much now for the methodology then any of the people you mentioned.If it wasnt for your site there wouldnt be any interest in RDSS or The Match Up.Dont sell yourself short.Shoeless

[RichieP]

Agree 100% Jeff.
I saw the post and feel exactly the same as you. Without Bill's vision,hard work and patience none of this would be possible.

All started a long time ago on a napkin sitting on the clubhouse floor of the Meadowlands :eek:

[admin]

Hi Jeff

I wanted to give the people who read Tims comments
my opinion.

He wrote

[qoute]The biggest challenges to pace handicapping, the Sartin way, and to the match up are ahead in the new realm of artificial surfaces. Ahead not back.[/quote]

I feel that Howard Sartin Ted, Richie and Jim are all working
together. To keep the Methodology moving ahead Yes we all are using the base tools and ideas of then.. They are giving us the tools to win today and tommorow Not to cut anybody else short .Pace and cap is full of people I admire Froggy said it best. There's nothing like seeing your 20/1 shot cross the finish line first After you have worked your
program and plan. Its a great feeling

I just feel sad that there are people who say the methodoloy
is done and that the answer is something else
I see many here that don't agree and thats the dream


Richie, I am doing my best to keep that dream of the napkin

I knew you would always be there for me If I didn't know that I would have not told you about my dream I knew it would be you and me.
When all the others left to do it better.. You and I were still at the table doing it the way we knew we needed to "Hey Rich look at the 7
HE'S GOT ENERY !!!!!!!!!

Thanks
Bill

[Ted Craven]

I am very thankful for the vision for this Sartin Methodology community that Bill has had and doggedly continues to pursue. It provided me with a home and a renaissance of my longstanding love of racing and experience with Doc's methodology.

It speaks volumes of Bill that he so candidly compliments those he admires. He is mastering the art of appreciation, which by benefiting his own self, naturally also benefits all those who work with him, play with him and love him. Doc told me recently, in his traditional hyperbolic though charming style, that he thinks Bill is "a saint" for what he is trying to do here.

Though I use my own words, who am I to argue.

Thanks Bill!

yours,

Ted

[froggy]

Bill,

Henry Ford didn't design the V8 engine, he just had a vision and got others to actually design and build it.

I don't believe Howard Sartin designed the programs we used back then or today. He just had a vision of how they should work and what they would do, and because others shared his dream they wrote the programs and did all of the technical stuff to make it come to life.

Whether you like it or not, you are a dreamer Bill, this is your dream, and it is in progress, and Howard's baton has passed on to you to continue his dream.

I can only imagine how happy in his heart Doc must be to see his dream carried on, "His 1000 successful parimutuel investors using the methodology."

And as we pass by the wayside as we eventually must, this is the place for new blood to step in and take up where we left off.

A rope is stronger than the sum of it's strands, and so is this site that you built.

Thanks for everything that you and the others that you have brought together have done for me and my dream.

Froggy

[VoodooFan]

I 2nd and 3rd that. If it wasn't for Bill, we would'nt have got the deep insight into the MatchUp .

He got a website that not only brought the Sartin Methodology from the grave, he not only roped the greatest handicapper of the 20th and 21st century, but got'em his own thread to moderate, contribute and run as he see's fit.

This website has the best library on handicapping.

The Hat Check alone with Mr. Bradshaw and RichieP's contributions should be the "Library of Congress ,jr" of The MatchUp at the least.

There's an old saying I think I heard once......." the more knowledge and wisdom one discovers, the more one finds he does not know".

Couple that with this : The more skill and mastery one acquires and absorbs on the road to mastery, the more one is truely humbled by his gifts . True absorbers of truth are more and more humbled by their discoveries.

Bill fits all the above.

VoodooFan

[partsnut]

Admin: Hi Jeff

I wanted to give the people who read Tims comments
my opinion.

He wrote

[qoute]The biggest challenges to pace handicapping, the Sartin way, and to the match up are ahead in the new realm of artificial surfaces. Ahead not back.[/QUOTE]

Why quote someone you banned from posting? Why not let him speak for himself. If this an open forum, why not let Tim speak for himself as well as Fast4522 whom you also banned as well.
Not everyone has to agree with your agenda. What you interpret as "negative" may also be someones positive.

There are those that may like what these guys have to say. Long live free speech. It seems to have died here.



What happened to free speech and opinion. It seems to have died here.

[admin]

Hello Bill

Some answers

My reply was to Jeff. He brought up the post on Paceadvantage
I did not look to post about Tims thoughts here

Tim has plenty of other outlets to post his feelings
Again I stress the door is open for him but he chooses to stay away

Tim is banned but that is by his choice' I have often said
that all I need from Tim is a public acception of my apology
Tim has sent me emails with his opinions since that time
and I have posted them here

Fast is not banned. He is moderated. He is free to post what ever he wants whenever he wants He has opinions. Some I hate
but most are acceptable Being that I am not really sure why he post here I have put him on a moderated list. All that means is I will see his post first and decide if his post are something more than just a
goal to post negative energy.

He has not posted since I put him on the moderated list
frankly I think I solved that isssue well. I miss my friend
but I have do this a way that fits the class of the methodology
As with Tim Steve has plenty of ways to speak his opinion
Including here

Lastly As of 5.45 pm Tim has not replied to me
on the match up thread He has replied to two others
and ignored my opinion , I hope I have showed my
feelings on this matter

These men have opinions and they can speak for themselves

Good Skill
Wm. Varone
Admistrator Pace and Cap

A SARTIN METHODOLOGY DISCUSSION GROUP

[admin]

Ted you are a true friend When I speak to you Howard Jim and Richie
I often have no idea what your saying LOL but I know you guys do
I can hear it in your voices and just like Richie from a day long ago
I knew this was a man to listen to

You guys are the teachers and professers I am working to be a
student and helper to others

I look up to you all

Bill

[admin]

Its a pleasure that the group has let us meet good people like you

I never have seen you I often look in the eyes of people at the track
I look for a look Its hard to explian but I know you have that look
of what my dream means

Walk out Froggy. Walk out a winner

Bill

[shoeless]

Bill,This is the last comment I will make on this subject.YOU DONT HAVE TO LOOK UP TO ANYONE YOU KNOW THE METHODOLOGY JUST AS WELL AS THEY DO.Jeff

[admin]

They are the reason it works We are all here as a group
you bring a magic positve feeling
I am very honored you have given so much of yourselve

Bill

[gl45]

I don't give a crap what Partnuts opinion is. I tell like it is. If the people here worry what he has to say about his convictions, you waste your time, as I just did it!
Bill, you just doing fine.
Pino

[admin]

Thanks Pino

Give me a second I want to post a sample post Dad singing

He misses you and wants to get together

Grazie
Guglielmo

[admin]

Bill

and Excuse me Jeff But you don't know me that well

Richie has stayed at my house He has broken bread with my parents
he is always a guest at whole family funtions He has stayed with my parents who love him and care deeply for him He has kicked my ass when I freak out and He knows the hurt I felt when he had to leave us

I care for him and he was there for me a long time ago
when I was in trouble myself

He is a friend and he is my friends friend

Please don't ever compare anyone's actions toward me
We know what we need to win We know that
true winners want attaboy positive energy
Thats what it is here

Bill

[gl45]

Guglielmo,
lets do it early summer or late spring at laurel or del, lets try to get somebody to take care of Richie's Mom that day, so he can join us.
Pino

[admin]

Yes look at #2 His post are moderated

he just was on a few minutes ago
here is a screen shot taken at about 6.30 pm

[admin]

Guglielmo,
lets do it early summer or late spring at laurel or del, lets try to get somebody to take care of Richie's Mom that day, so he can join us.
Pino

Yes lets make it a grand gathering

With Richie

[partsnut]

Bill

and Excuse me Jeff But you don't know me that well

Richie has stayed at my house He has broken bread with my parents
he is always a guest at whole family funtions He has stayed with my parents who love him and care deeply for him He has kicked my ass when I freak out and He knows the hurt I felt when he had to leave us

I care for him and he was there for me a long time ago
when I was in trouble myself

He is a friend and he is my friends friend

Please don't ever compare anyone's actions toward me
We know what we need to win We know that
true winners want attaboy positive energy
Thats what it is here

Bill

Bill, this is all good and wonderful and I'm very happy for the both of you, but let's not cloud the issues at hand.


Bill

[admin]

Please don't call me a liar

here are two screen shots

The first is a user group for watched and approve with 1 member

the second screen shot is fast's information
he is the member in that watched and approved user group


Please don't call me a liar

[admin]

Gee of all the nice words said here
Your actions are the making me feel very good about Pace and Cap

To set the record

Steve Fast has strong opinions of what should be posted here
He feels that I have sold out to Ted and that Pace and Cap
is just a shill for RDSS

He says that Wagercapping is Rubbish

He says I'm afraid to post his opinion

He just sent me an email Saying both of these
things I wrote him back and said
Give me permission to forward this exact email Your Words

your words onto Pace and Cap

He did not

Rather he cried to me that I am at fault
and forwarded my reply to Parts nut

So there you have it

Steve is afraid to come right out and say that he feels
I have sold out to RDSS and That I would prevent him
from saying that wagercapping is rubbish

Oh well Its cool that you two guys are so concerned with what I will do
again
Steve Fast says I have sold out and RDSS is just vechicle to sell
RDSS for Ted

Hey Ted were is my Check LOL!!!!!

Wager capping is Rubbish

Oh No !!! Oh the horor what will I do ???

LOL

LOL

Good Skill

Bill

[admin]

I'm sorry that Pace and Cap let you down

and that you feel that way about me

I wish you well

Good Skill
Bill

[shoeless]

sorry

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bill

and Excuse me Jeff But you don't know me that well



Bill[admin],Can you please explain this to me Im a little confused by it?

[VoodooFan]

What part of Pace and Cap people are not understanding?

This site is dedicated to ALL things old and new RELATED to the Sartin Methodology.

If a tool or subject overwhelms and overshadows the sartin methodology, then my guess would be it AIN'T the SARTIN METHODOLOGY anymore, now would it??

If its related to thoroughbreds, I should be able to SPAM my opinion unrestricted, right??

Hell, let's talk about Cynthia Publishing model ,tools,premises,and modalities, its horse racing , right?

What part of SARTIN METHODOLOGY is imcomprehensible????

Free Speech?? Free Speech , huh?

Can I say "Fire!!" in a crowed theatre?? Try it, and see how free it is.

Free Speech?? Yes, I'll come to Pace and Cap and start creating MULTIPLE
threads about the positives , negatives and resources for BODY PIERCING.Then I'll start a new thread about the politics and positives of
PIERCING YOUR PRIVATE PARTS. Don't I have a right to state my opinion?

Should my post be moderated by admin on this subject?

If admin does not approve and publish my passion on this subject, is he a Dictator and Benedict Arnold?

Who is he to judge what should be on this site?

Should there be a judge or referee for any forum?

This site should be a free for all, yes ?

Hey, it should'nt even have a theme, in fact, it should be just like Pace Advantage, with sub-threads with jokes, best looking babes, politics, real estate investment opinions, currency exchange opinions and software, etc.,

Can I go on a Political forum and start talking about cool skateboarding parks?

Can you go to ANY F@#IN FORUM and not follow the moderators rules and just do and say whatever the F@#k you want?

Yeah, just totally change the reason and theme of an entire forum, cause I GOTS THE F@#KIN RIGHT TO SAY WHAT EVER I SO PLEASE and should'nt
be censored for ANY reason.

JEEEZZZUSS F@#$IN CHRIST

I guess theres no rules, moderation,code of conduct,or theme on any forum, right?

Can I call the White House and say the President is a worthless, money hungry, dictator that should be shot ? Even if I truley feel that way, don't I have a right to express my opinion on ANY forum any way I like?

Try it, see what happens.

Free Speech, huh? Call a few radio stations, get on the air and say the FU word over and over.....yeah,....at least ONE of them is going to get your caller I.D. info, along with the recording, and turn it over to the FCC.

Yep, hundreds or thousands of dollars fined to you per offense.

Sounds "free" to me.

VoodooFan

[admin]

sorry

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bill

and Excuse me Jeff But you don't know me that well



Bill[admin],Can you please explain this to me Im a little confused by it?

I'm sorry Jeff my grammer and punctuation skills are not that great

I meant that I had just read were you want me not to put myself
behind anyone I meant that when and if you read my response to Partsnut
I was saying how I do look up to Richie
I do respect how he deals with people Nobody like partsnut is going to
tell me why Richie stands by me and I stand by him

I should not have mentioned you in the post I see it could confuse you

[admin]

I agree with you I just have failed somehow to get across to Steve -Fast and Bill- Partsnut what Pace and cap is about

I also want to say here to everyone This is not a pissing contest

I was trapped into it If I shut down the therad or edit these two
(and others) that is thier mission. If I just try to answer
the best I can it looks like I'm fighting back Funny thing is then they
go to other boards and cry about how one things are done here
Well why did you come here ?
I call it the I hate fish customer in the sea food store syndrome

Believe me Parts and Fast know they have plenty of places to knock the
methodology But they want to do it here


I appreciate the way people are letting this play out
let these type yell and post your normal way

There is a way to ignore peoples post

I wish everybody good skill at the races and a happy
heathly lifestyle

Bill
Pace and cap

[Turf Speculator]

Admin
Is there an "ignore" feature so I can block out users I don't want to read?

Thank you

[admin]

Yes you can I will get right on it
Its a setting on your control panel

Oh but wait ? I might need to ask a FRIEND Named Ted Craven
for help And then when I mention that my FRIEND helped me
Oh my heavens !!!! I'm selling out to Ted so he can sell more RDSS
Oh please forgive me I will never look for a friends help

I am a rock I am an Island NOT!!!!


Good Skill Turf Hey do you have anything goping Today !!

Bill

[admin]

You see Bill and you can post this exactly if you like, I was not knocking the methodology but saying, your not it, we are, everyone who uses it is, the methodology is the folks who use it, not the guy who slapped his name on it or the remnant if what it was. The methodology is all the remnants be it HTR, MPH users, Val users, even Fast Fred users or what have you!, This is what I have always been telling you, when you said to me "screw you" what was your thoughts The methodology is what RDSS is. You see I we them those and however you put it are not going anyplace else to talk about P&C.

Good morning Once again I'm sorry Pace and Cap is not for you. to quote
you They, Them, Some and Those don't like it too. Well then you have a nice group to talk about this to
I wish you well and hope you win lots of races
Bill

[Turf Speculator]

Yes you can I will get right on it
Its a setting on your control panel

Good Skill Turf Hey do you have anything goping Today !!
Bill

Thank you Bill. I see the needed stuff now.

Nothing going today. You enjoy the day.

[bobp]

Wow!
Just read these threads and have to say differences of opinion will always be there, always has, always will.
Lets just go forward with positive thoughts for a great opportunity to continue enjoying the experience and information available here , plus new and caring friends.

Life is too short to dwell on negative energy. It is better spent handicapping
and watching our picks turn for home, and cross the finish line.

And last I am not opposed to making this a pay for membership club, having contributed voluntarily every other month as a member.

BobP

[mufasa]

Bill, why do you bother? You and Ted have the blessing of Doc Sartin to do what you are doing in so far as the Sartin methodology. Richie has “The Hat’s” blessing as to what he is doing. At least 98% of the members on this site (and I am sure lurkers) are grateful for the efforts that you, Ted, and Richie provide day in and day out as to all provided information and usage ideas whether old or new for both The Match Up and Sartin methodologies.

You cannot make everyone happy so just concentrate on the 98% that seem to be grateful. To really put this grumbling to rest why not just ask for a vote of the current membership by way of an up or down or if even necessary comments as to the way this site is being administered. My vote is a big thumps up—keep up the good work!!!

Robert

[tom]

Agree 100% Jeff.
I saw the post and feel exactly the same as you. Without Bill's vision,hard work and patience none of this would be possible.

All started a long time ago on a napkin sitting on the clubhouse floor of the Meadowlands :eek:

Here I am, late to the party. My 2 cents worth -

Bill, a big thanks for keeping the Sartin days going
Richie, a big thanks for keeping the match up up alive and bringing the Hat to us
Ted - hats off for program for the future

Even the Brohamer wing of the methodolgy is still chugging along under Ken Massa at HTR - who knew Phase III had so much potential!

Good to see Michael doing good - he was a great teacher and always a class act in person. I owe him a great deal.

And, CJ, who is doing really innovative with pace in his Pace Figures- as Jeff can attest!

Tim has carried a branch of the newer programs forward, and I credit him for some really good ideas as well.

This is indeed a great time to be a pace handicapper. All the ideas can be translated to the various approaches, and we are very lucky to have Howard and Jim represented here by such class acts. The match up thread has been a real eye-opener.

Hats off to Richie and Bill for all they do for us all, unselfishly. :D

[VoodooFan]

I call it the I hate fish customer in the sea food store syndrome
Bill
Pace and cap

Who else has the BLESSING and Participation/council of Doc Sartin and
Jim THE HAT Bradshaw and their contributions??

Don't see them anywhere or any other forum , to my knowledge , at this level
of assistance, so who better to judge than the creators.

Don't think The Doc or The Hat would consider many other programs to be
Sartin Methodology , though they may have had their ideas from such.

He would borrow what he liked/worked and enhance the established
programs , but it would be Sartin/Bradshaw at its core.

Sartin Methodology is about exploring tools/research to ENHANCE the
premise, NOT eclipse it.

Yeeeeaaaaahh, Bill, you definately GOT an agenda.

To enhance everything "Sartin", DUUUUUUUH!!!!

By the way, who DOESN'T have a business plan......you have no choice.

Cause even if you want it to be free, you still got to pay for hosting,etc. ,
and if you have no business plan to handle the cost of said project,
your project is NO LONGER AVAILABLE.

I guess PA and other websites have NO AGENDA/BUSINESS PLAN......yeah....

I can " TELL ".....by all the SPONSERED LINKS and Google ads plastered
all over their sites.

Hell , everyone has an agenda. Whats wrong with that??

I LIKE PACE AND CAP'S AGENDA.

We should be mad at ourselves for getting sucked into this.

Some people are like blackholes, bermuda triangles.

No matter how much perspective, sincerity, logic, or explanation, you will
be pouring in that quicksand FOREVER tryin to fill it .

I've seen YES men do everything and kiss every nugget of their masters
back side, attentive every second of the 24 hrs, AND THEY STILL GET
YELLED AT ; some people are born and go to their graves dissatisfied no
matter how many people appease them.

VoodooFan

[xtb]

Bill, keep doing what you're doing. There are always going to be detractors but they can be ignored.

[VoodooFan]

Heres an example :

The Giants won the SuperBowl. NY residents was partying all day long,
drinks galore, havin a good ole time, happiness and good cheer abound.

That night the Rangers was losing and lost the game.

It was said there was so much cussing and anger,one wrong word may
have set off a mass beat down. Vulgarity abound to the threshold of
violence.

So what good is good if you're always looking to engage, occupy and find
the bad ?

VoodooFan

[shoeless]

Parts comes on strong but really is a nice guy and has helped me.Tim and myself have had many heated arguments and he ended up helping me as well.After last year when my Mom and dog passed away I decided lifes too short to hold grudges.Im hoping everybody here can put all of this behind us and start fresh and besides sharing lets have fun in the process.Jeff