Disagreements, whatever the discipline, are based upon having a different backgound knowledge on things,...i.e. Reflexology is full of holes too but gullible people rush to that discipline even in lieu of absolutely no sustainable evidence. Folks amaze me.

Tim.


Again you completely mis understood what I was writing, when I wrote about projecting I was refering to my interpretation of how Jim Bradshaw saw the race unfolding. I was speaking upon visualizing the race before it happens.

Are you serious... 1960's, people where writing and doing what was written up in "The MatchUP"

Yes , my race track knowlegde only goes back to 1985, but I did spend upto 10 hours a day sometimes 6 days a week researching this game for some 15 years of this period. During this time I examined in great depth all facets of this game from Trip handicapping to Speed to Class evaulation to Pace handicapping. Besides watching thousands of races on vcr tape, I examined over 40,000 charts which are on my computer looking for any new edge that I could find.I worked over so many combinations of ratings that I can't even count on them.




So can we just drop the attitude and instead from here on focus on whats important and that being contributing to the group.



Tim.

If you are winning and making $ on the game, then congrats, keep doing what you are doing. I am not trying to convert you or anyone, I am just trying to give back to this wonderfull Sartin group which helped me.

Mike.

Thanks,Bill. I am confused because the E/L say early and the RS says late. And visually, he runs every race the same, in his comfort zone.

no attitude just tyring to find logic in the illogical. I want to learn all I can about racing but without parallel logical structure that is hard to accomplish particularly since POSITION in a horse race is all about pace and little else but lucky breaks from the gate......and that is from FIRST hand observation not videotape from my living room.

a treat
 

Here is John Henry (before your time) winning his maiden victory at Jefferson Downs May 20th 1977 for then owners Colleen Madere and Dorthea Lingo. He won over 4.5 furlongs in 48.1 over You Sexy Thing and Ricky's Choice with Glen Spiehler up.

The very famous Phil Marino training.

Ok, that is fine, we just look at racing from a different point of view, which only means that we will be on different horses getting different prices.

Maybe my method came across as illogical but that is probably becouse I only provided an outline of one part of what I do. You assumed you knew my method without ever seeing it.My method is not what you think it is, it is unlike anything you have ever read.You see I never did anywhere go into any depth at all what my method is, to do so I could easily write 400 plus pages , but, that was not the purpose of this thread.

Mike.



Mike.

never assumed a thing or I would not be asking for explanations.

Introduce a "new" idea and then never explain it's basis does not give it much creditability......
I can well imagine what sort of response I would get having proposed a NEW idea on the origin of Multiple sclerosis and then not providing a shred of documentation. Let's see maybe disbelief?

Keep it on the shelf hidden but don't make assumptions about others understanding.

Mike: If you're up to it, run us through a race as you handicap it. It can be an old one, preferably a 12 horse field. I wouldn't worry too much about letting anything out of the bag as no one will be able to do it as well as you anyway, since you originated it. Thanks. Lou.

Hello Tom
 

The Early late graph is measuring how much early energy of the horses total energy It uses to the second call. It then measures how much late energy a horse uses from the second call to the finish EPR and LPR
If Early Pace rating is bigger than the Late pace rating
the number is Plus and the bigger early the bigger the stick will be to the right
If the Late pace rating is more than the Early the number will be a Negative
number and the bigger the difference late the stick will be bigger to the left

Running style ??? Ted or someone else will need to help me out
on that one

Here is a workup of Cost of freedom
I highlighted the last line to show how it
gets a PLUS 7.3 on the Early Late graph

GS
Bill

I will try to do a LIVE race for Saturday night , sometime sat afternoon, I will Position my horses and show who I see as advantaged. For me to explain each process and how i decided to place this horse here and this one there could possibly reveal my method more than I wish too so some some of it I can't give an explantion for . It takes me 10 times as long to write it as to do it, so it will be brief.


Mike.

Lou.

It may be difficult to print out my layout in this open space, send me a private message and then we can swap emails and try doing it that way or worst case scenario I can slow mail you an example sheet.


Mike.

Thanks,Bill.
Mike, interesting ideas.