e/l relativity - Pace and Cap

tompkins · 03-08-2006, 09:48 AM

one doesn't often see such a "clear cut" image of relatively earlier e/l's to total energy, but in the Fountain of Youth, check the e/'ls to finish here.
Pgm Horse Jockey Win Place Show
6 First Samurai Edgar S. Prado 3.40 2.60 2.20
10 Flashy Bull Rafael Bejarano 6.20 3.80
7 Corinthian Javier Castellano 4.00

admin · 03-08-2006, 11:26 AM

Mr Tompkins
I have been helping a friend
He is from Columbia and has been to the race track 4 times in his life 3 of those times sitting with me working with Val 3
He wants to learn what I'm doing
I came across a horse like this at Tampa on Saturday
I told him when you get a horse like this that will pay
$3.40

Your really just playing Red or Black like in Roulette

Either you win or lose and you have to bet a lot to win a little

I have no idea what your showing
all I see is the winner paid $3.40 and its Early Late was - 4.4
in a 9.0 race for what I guess is for young horses

all these facts I see says the 6 looks like a strong horse
what else are you trying to say

Thanks Bill

tompkins · 03-08-2006, 11:44 AM

I was so confident that this HANDICAPPING PROCESS, which is very obvious (top three most positive e/l numbers) would be denegrated that I wrote the response ahead of time and kept it handy.

A HANDICAPPING PROCESS is mutually exclusive from a WAGERING PROCESS and since we are discussing here HANDICAPPING PROCESSES, that is what this is presented as without cherry picking a race for "slapping on the back" bravado and recognition of the mutuels. If one looked hard enough I could have done that as well.

HANDICAPPING PROCESSES allow one to see "order within chaos" above and beyond what the crowd sees. IF that HANDICAPPING PROCESS is just as obvious to the crowd then the WAGERING PROCESS is modified or passed altogether, but that does not change the HANDICAPPING PROCESS: the principles are extant no matter the WAGERING OPPORTUNITIES.

tompkins · 03-08-2006, 11:58 AM

A quote from the original post: "check the e/'ls to finish here."

right there for all to see

admin · 03-08-2006, 04:31 PM

Mr Tompkins
I did not denigrate I'm very troubled by your answer
Lets look at it from the readers of this forums point of view
Which forgive me but I am concerned about what gets posted here only in that I want people to get something out of post
especially when screen shots are attached

all I was wondering was, What was your reason to post a screen shot of
the late/early graph
in which there was as you say a relatively small gap in the readouts
and total energy that comes from a race that was won by a $3.40 horse?
I see the top 4 (as you call it) - I call it the 4 nearest to the center /or the 4 that used there energy most evenly throughout the race .
I see these 4 horses separated by a very small 3.2
from the low 3.0 for horse 10 to a high 6.2 for the winner # 6
I see a graph with no wild extreme early's that I agree are most of the time dead give away's to bet against and I see no wild late or counter energy horses to overtake a early duel and in this case lead to a big mutual and plentiful exacta possibility

All that said you posted this

HANDICAPPING PROCESSES allow one to see "order within chaos" above and beyond what the crowd sees. IF that HANDICAPPING PROCESS is just as obvious to the crowd then the WAGERING PROCESS is modified or passed altogether, but that does not change the HANDICAPPING PROCESS: the principles are extant no matter the WAGERING OPPORTUNITIES.

I have a idea what your trying to say But here
is my question what are you showing ?
why did you feel showing a very nondescript (to the more advance users )
and also a the same time give no explanation to the newbies o
I don't feel I have denigrated your post

all I'm doing is discussing your post as I have no idea what your showing

Thanks
Bill

tompkins · 03-08-2006, 04:35 PM

top three e/l's, finish One Two Three....classic "thin slicing" a race..Just happened in the 8th at Aqueuduct where the top two e/l's ran first and third: order within chaos.....Pattern repeats and repeats

admin · 03-08-2006, 05:27 PM

Sir
Anytime you want to be curtious and answer a direct question I will listen

Thank You

tompkins · 03-08-2006, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tompkins

top three e/l's, finish One Two Three....

I don't know how many OTHER ways I can state it, curteously or otherwise VERY OFTEN the answer to the ENTIRE race is found on this single screen

admin · 03-08-2006, 06:39 PM

But not on BL/BL? How is that possible?

kiltman · 03-08-2006, 11:34 PM

Tompkins you got me really confused as to why you post a winner at 3.40 cents. The methodology says you dont even bet a horse at this price. Maybe Im messed up but I wouldnt have bet that horse (if I even bet the race).
That is my take on it anyway.

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03-08-2006, 09:48 AM	#1
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	e/l relativity one doesn't often see such a "clear cut" image of relatively earlier e/l's to total energy, but in the Fountain of Youth, check the e/'ls to finish here. Pgm Horse Jockey Win Place Show 6 First Samurai Edgar S. Prado 3.40 2.60 2.20 10 Flashy Bull Rafael Bejarano 6.20 3.80 7 Corinthian Javier Castellano 4.00 Attached Images __________________ velocititian

03-08-2006, 11:26 AM	#2
admin Administrator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,643	Mr Tompkins I have been helping a friend He is from Columbia and has been to the race track 4 times in his life 3 of those times sitting with me working with Val 3 He wants to learn what I'm doing I came across a horse like this at Tampa on Saturday I told him when you get a horse like this that will pay $3.40 Your really just playing Red or Black like in Roulette Either you win or lose and you have to bet a lot to win a little I have no idea what your showing all I see is the winner paid $3.40 and its Early Late was - 4.4 in a 9.0 race for what I guess is for young horses all these facts I see says the 6 looks like a strong horse what else are you trying to say Thanks Bill Last edited by admin; 03-08-2006 at 11:28 AM.

03-08-2006, 11:44 AM	#3
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	confident I was so confident that this HANDICAPPING PROCESS, which is very obvious (top three most positive e/l numbers) would be denegrated that I wrote the response ahead of time and kept it handy. A HANDICAPPING PROCESS is mutually exclusive from a WAGERING PROCESS and since we are discussing here HANDICAPPING PROCESSES, that is what this is presented as without cherry picking a race for "slapping on the back" bravado and recognition of the mutuels. If one looked hard enough I could have done that as well. HANDICAPPING PROCESSES allow one to see "order within chaos" above and beyond what the crowd sees. IF that HANDICAPPING PROCESS is just as obvious to the crowd then the WAGERING PROCESS is modified or passed altogether, but that does not change the HANDICAPPING PROCESS: the principles are extant no matter the WAGERING OPPORTUNITIES. __________________ velocititian Last edited by tompkins; 03-08-2006 at 11:48 AM.

03-08-2006, 11:58 AM	#4
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	a quote A quote from the original post: "check the e/'ls to finish here." right there for all to see __________________ velocititian

03-08-2006, 04:31 PM	#5
admin Administrator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,643	Mr Tompkins I did not denigrate I'm very troubled by your answer Lets look at it from the readers of this forums point of view Which forgive me but I am concerned about what gets posted here only in that I want people to get something out of post especially when screen shots are attached all I was wondering was, What was your reason to post a screen shot of the late/early graph in which there was as you say a relatively small gap in the readouts and total energy that comes from a race that was won by a $3.40 horse? I see the top 4 (as you call it) - I call it the 4 nearest to the center /or the 4 that used there energy most evenly throughout the race . I see these 4 horses separated by a very small 3.2 from the low 3.0 for horse 10 to a high 6.2 for the winner # 6 I see a graph with no wild extreme early's that I agree are most of the time dead give away's to bet against and I see no wild late or counter energy horses to overtake a early duel and in this case lead to a big mutual and plentiful exacta possibility All that said you posted this HANDICAPPING PROCESSES allow one to see "order within chaos" above and beyond what the crowd sees. IF that HANDICAPPING PROCESS is just as obvious to the crowd then the WAGERING PROCESS is modified or passed altogether, but that does not change the HANDICAPPING PROCESS: the principles are extant no matter the WAGERING OPPORTUNITIES. I have a idea what your trying to say But here is my question what are you showing ? why did you feel showing a very nondescript (to the more advance users ) and also a the same time give no explanation to the newbies o I don't feel I have denigrated your post all I'm doing is discussing your post as I have no idea what your showing Thanks Bill Last edited by admin; 03-08-2006 at 04:35 PM.

03-08-2006, 04:35 PM	#6
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	top three e/l's, finish One Two Three....classic "thin slicing" a race..Just happened in the 8th at Aqueuduct where the top two e/l's ran first and third: order within chaos.....Pattern repeats and repeats __________________ velocititian Last edited by tompkins; 03-08-2006 at 04:43 PM.

03-08-2006, 05:27 PM	#7
admin Administrator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,643	Thats nice Sir Anytime you want to be curtious and answer a direct question I will listen Thank You

03-08-2006, 06:39 PM	#9
admin Administrator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,643	If But not on BL/BL? How is that possible?

03-08-2006, 11:34 PM	#10
kiltman Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Southeast Arizona Posts: 126	E/l Tompkins you got me really confused as to why you post a winner at 3.40 cents. The methodology says you dont even bet a horse at this price. Maybe Im messed up but I wouldnt have bet that horse (if I even bet the race). That is my take on it anyway.