Handicapping Question - Pace and Cap

mikesal57 · 01-23-2009, 08:45 AM

Hello Guys...

This is for the traditional handicappers....

Do any of you use the E1 E2 / LP 1c 2c figures?

Can it be used somehow to adjust track to track or for the same track on different days?

thxs mike

Tim Y · 01-23-2009, 12:24 PM

they are purely positional and don't translate to velocity based definitions of racing style

Bill V. · 01-23-2009, 07:13 PM

Hello Mikesal

wow they sure give lots of information on the past performance
Question, In the race from Jan 2 at Philly that the horse won
what are the little + - numbers in the 1C 2C readout
The horse sure earns its way even with only 4 /59 wins

Thanks

tom · 01-23-2009, 11:54 PM

Bill, the + and - numbers denote a fast or slow paced race, for E1 and Es compared to the speed figure. Say a SR of 85 typical has an E2 of 96 associated with it, a race shape (POR) of 100 85 would be fast 4 (+4).

Mike, the E1/E2/LP SR numbers are "equalized" for track to track, daily varinat, etc. A 90 at a sprint E2 is the same as a 90 E2 in a route. You can use the numbers interchangeably. They represent time for each point of call and have nothing to do with positions. If you are interested in some unique ways to use them to measure energy distribution, search for Michicken at PaceAdvantage - he had some really insightful formulas that looked at early, middle, late energy and deceleration. Much of Pizzolla's stuff can be adapted to those numbers, too.

mikesal57 · 01-25-2009, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom

Bill, the + and - numbers denote a fast or slow paced race, for E1 and Es compared to the speed figure. Say a SR of 85 typical has an E2 of 96 associated with it, a race shape (POR) of 100 85 would be fast 4 (+4).

Mike, the E1/E2/LP SR numbers are "equalized" for track to track, daily varinat, etc. A 90 at a sprint E2 is the same as a 90 E2 in a route. You can use the numbers interchangeably. They represent time for each point of call and have nothing to do with positions. If you are interested in some unique ways to use them to measure energy distribution, search for Michicken at PaceAdvantage - he had some really insightful formulas that looked at early, middle, late energy and deceleration. Much of Pizzolla's stuff can be adapted to those numbers, too.

thxs tom..i'll get over there and look

01-23-2009, 08:45 AM	#1
mikesal57 Grade 1 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 3,952	Handicapping Question Hello Guys... This is for the traditional handicappers.... Do any of you use the E1 E2 / LP 1c 2c figures? Can it be used somehow to adjust track to track or for the same track on different days? thxs mike Attached Images __________________ Never bet a favorite doing something for the first time-Harvey Pack

01-23-2009, 12:24 PM	#2
Tim Y turf historian Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 6,455	they are purely positional and don't translate to velocity based definitions of racing style __________________ Albert Einstein:"The monotony and solitude of a quiet life stimulates the creative mind."

01-23-2009, 07:13 PM	#3
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	Information Hello Mikesal wow they sure give lots of information on the past performance Question, In the race from Jan 2 at Philly that the horse won what are the little + - numbers in the 1C 2C readout The horse sure earns its way even with only 4 /59 wins Thanks

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01-23-2009, 11:54 PM	#4
tom Grade 1 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 644	Bill, the + and - numbers denote a fast or slow paced race, for E1 and Es compared to the speed figure. Say a SR of 85 typical has an E2 of 96 associated with it, a race shape (POR) of 100 85 would be fast 4 (+4). Mike, the E1/E2/LP SR numbers are "equalized" for track to track, daily varinat, etc. A 90 at a sprint E2 is the same as a 90 E2 in a route. You can use the numbers interchangeably. They represent time for each point of call and have nothing to do with positions. If you are interested in some unique ways to use them to measure energy distribution, search for Michicken at PaceAdvantage - he had some really insightful formulas that looked at early, middle, late energy and deceleration. Much of Pizzolla's stuff can be adapted to those numbers, too.