the tandem - Pace and Cap

tompkins · 02-02-2006, 10:51 AM

It is wise to review basic tennants of the Methodology once in awhile. Howard Sartin got the idea of the tandem from one of his friends, a boxer, who noticed that the top middleweights took turns defeating one another. After studying it, he came to the conclusion that the WINNER last out, would come back doing exactly the same things that got him to win, while the competitior, would CHANGE the way he did things. One adapted, the other did not, so the outcome would go to the new strategy. Once applied to horses in head to head he advised that one gave BOTH the same number of beaten lengths when evaluating them realizing that the form cycle as well as the horse's connections had changed. Still works today

admin · 02-02-2006, 07:10 PM

One of my favorite plays is a tandum race were the winner rates worse on Bl/Bl than the horse it beat
The beaten horse gets you odds and a win more than you would imagine

Bill

RichieP · 02-02-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by admin

One of my favorite plays is a tandum race were the winner rates worse on Bl/Bl than the horse it beat
The beaten horse gets you odds and a win more than you would imagine

Bill

Mine too Bill! Preach on brother Bin

luv
Richie

shoeless · 02-02-2006, 08:29 PM

On the Las Vegas Seminar tapes it is suggested for tandem races if possible select a different paceline for the horses that ran behind the winner.That way you will get a different reading.Shoeless

alydar_ David · 02-03-2006, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by shoeless

On the Las Vegas Seminar tapes it is suggested for tandem races if possible select a different paceline for the horses that ran behind the winner.That way you will get a different reading.Shoeless

The other approach is to enter the same beaten lengths for Horse A as Horse B had in the tandem race, even though Horse B was the winner.

Franky, I don't think much of either approach and I've tested them extensively.

My conclusion is that they don't "take turns" beating each other. Rather, different horses are in different form cycles. Some of improving, while others have peaked or on the way down. They aren't motorcycles. You can't expect the same performance every time. That's the hole in the tandem boat IMO.

RichieP · 02-03-2006, 11:44 AM

[QUOTE=alydar_David]The other approach is to enter the same beaten lengths for Horse A as Horse B had in the tandem race, even though Horse B was the winner.
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That's how I was taught back in the early 90's also David by "Hat" Bradshaw.

Today I like Bill's look on bl/bl when a horse beaten by another rates higher then the one who beat him.

Rich

02-02-2006, 10:51 AM	#1
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	the tandem It is wise to review basic tennants of the Methodology once in awhile. Howard Sartin got the idea of the tandem from one of his friends, a boxer, who noticed that the top middleweights took turns defeating one another. After studying it, he came to the conclusion that the WINNER last out, would come back doing exactly the same things that got him to win, while the competitior, would CHANGE the way he did things. One adapted, the other did not, so the outcome would go to the new strategy. Once applied to horses in head to head he advised that one gave BOTH the same number of beaten lengths when evaluating them realizing that the form cycle as well as the horse's connections had changed. Still works today __________________ velocititian

02-02-2006, 07:10 PM	#2
admin Administrator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,643	Thanks Tompkins One of my favorite plays is a tandum race were the winner rates worse on Bl/Bl than the horse it beat The beaten horse gets you odds and a win more than you would imagine Bill

02-02-2006, 08:29 PM	#4
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,649	On the Las Vegas Seminar tapes it is suggested for tandem races if possible select a different paceline for the horses that ran behind the winner.That way you will get a different reading.Shoeless

02-03-2006, 11:44 AM	#6
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,019	[QUOTE=alydar_David]The other approach is to enter the same beaten lengths for Horse A as Horse B had in the tandem race, even though Horse B was the winner. QUOTE] That's how I was taught back in the early 90's also David by "Hat" Bradshaw. Today I like Bill's look on bl/bl when a horse beaten by another rates higher then the one who beat him. Rich