Race 4 CT 0505 - Pace and Cap

admin · 05-05-2006, 08:26 PM

Here are my readouts for third race
Using Vector

My bets are the 7 and the 3

dogkatcher · 05-05-2006, 09:09 PM

Way to Go, Binder!!! Nice hit. now you can spread it out in the Derby tomorrow.

# Horse Jockey Weight Win Place Show
7 Affirmed Pleasure Almodovar Gerald 116 41.40 13.20 5.80
3 Unison Moon Ramirez Erick 116 4.00 2.80
1 Trumpets Delight Castro Carlos L. 116 4.

2$ Exacta 7-3 $191.60

Woooooooooohooooooooooooooooo

admin · 05-05-2006, 09:17 PM

Sorry Jeff I got your Email asking about this race
I missed your post in the analize this thread

Dogkatcher

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogkatcher

Way to Go, Binder!!! Nice hit. now you can spread it out in the Derby tomorrow.

# Horse Jockey Weight Win Place Show
7 Affirmed Pleasure Almodovar Gerald 116 41.40 13.20 5.80
3 Unison Moon Ramirez Erick 116 4.00 2.80
1 Trumpets Delight Castro Carlos L. 116 4.

2$ Exacta 7-3 $191.60

Woooooooooohooooooooooooooooo

Thank You
Yes Now we have some extra ammo for the big day

RichieP · 05-05-2006, 10:29 PM

are u serious man! 20/1 winner

Binder is in the house and he is taking names and hammering horses!

Tremendous hit Bill

Richie
" I am a simple man and just follow Doc's directions". - Binder - May 2002

WAB · 05-05-2006, 10:59 PM

Mr. Binder,

I see that you have 3 contenders for this race: 7,8,& 3. My question is the following: How did you select the 2 contenders that you posted? Did you go
by ML odds, V/DC readouts only? When you consider your contenders, do their BL line scores have to be within 4 points of each other or at this point it doesn't matter?

Awaiting your reply,
Andy B.

admin · 05-06-2006, 03:25 AM

Thanks for the kind words Rich

Hi Andy
I will give you my reasons for betting the 7 and the 3

Actually this race is a great demonstration of how I use both Speculator and
in this case Vector ( Val 3) Its been called the Binder method

My method is to break the top 3 or 4 contenders into two half's

The top half 7 and the 8
and the bottom haft
the 3 and the 6

The great thing about using Val 3 is the VDC readout which makes the Binder method
run

The first thing I look at is in each half = Top 2 or Bottom 2
are these factors

1. The ML odds
2. The Line score
3. The pattern of the favorites
4. Betting structure
5 VDC Improvers Val option only
6 Feelings

Now I need to bet 2 of 3 or sometimes 4 horses
In the CT race
of the top 2 in this case Its the 7 and 8
Its easy I have a 8/1 ML right on top with the 7 VDC #1
First bet is in = # 7

Now I need to bet 1 more horse between the 8, 3, or 6.

Now I look at the bottom 2 horses, Which are the 3 and the 6
For me to bet the 6. It would need to be closer to the top 3 in line score
the 3 has a + 3 .5 on the line score over the 6
Also the 6 has a VDC readout of 4
The 6 will need to be a VDC improver like up to VDC 1 or VDC 2
So the 6 is out
Now I need to choose between the 8 and the 3
this part of the bet usually involves either the lower odds horse
or the higher odds horse In this case I have the higher odds horse already
with the 7
My ideal betting pattern is a high odds horse and a horse with good readouts
that will pay over $7.00
I needed to pick between the 8 and the 3 The 3 improved to VDC 1
the 8 dropped to VDC 3 I make a correct choice in this race
my second bet # 3 turned out to run second

Hope this makes sense Please this is just how I do races I am not saying you soul
use this method
All my handicapping has been done in the pace line selection
method I use the best of the last 3 races I only use races were the horse ran well
I used to use the e/l graph as a factor ,But now with the advances in the programs
its easy to use the Late early patterns of a horse in the pace line selection
part of the procedure

That's why after I have picked my lines I only wager cap
GS Bill

shoeless · 05-06-2006, 06:28 AM

Bill,Great job in getting that race,I screwed that one up not looking at the readouts properly.Oh well you learn from your mistakes.Jeff

admin · 05-06-2006, 06:50 AM

Hi Shoeless

what do you mean? can I see your final contenders

was it a betting decision or contender selection?

shoeless · 05-06-2006, 08:57 AM

betting decision not being able to interperate the readouts properly.

alydar_ David · 05-06-2006, 10:46 AM

Nice hit! And it's good to see the old Binder Method explained again.

Bill, maybe you could use that DECL readout in Spec like the V/DC readout in Val for the Binder method?

05-06-2006, 03:25 AM	#6
admin Administrator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,643	Binder method Thanks for the kind words Rich Hi Andy I will give you my reasons for betting the 7 and the 3 Actually this race is a great demonstration of how I use both Speculator and in this case Vector ( Val 3) Its been called the Binder method My method is to break the top 3 or 4 contenders into two half's The top half 7 and the 8 and the bottom haft the 3 and the 6 The great thing about using Val 3 is the VDC readout which makes the Binder method run The first thing I look at is in each half = Top 2 or Bottom 2 are these factors 1. The ML odds 2. The Line score 3. The pattern of the favorites 4. Betting structure 5 VDC Improvers Val option only 6 Feelings Now I need to bet 2 of 3 or sometimes 4 horses In the CT race of the top 2 in this case Its the 7 and 8 Its easy I have a 8/1 ML right on top with the 7 VDC #1 First bet is in = # 7 Now I need to bet 1 more horse between the 8, 3, or 6. Now I look at the bottom 2 horses, Which are the 3 and the 6 For me to bet the 6. It would need to be closer to the top 3 in line score the 3 has a + 3 .5 on the line score over the 6 Also the 6 has a VDC readout of 4 The 6 will need to be a VDC improver like up to VDC 1 or VDC 2 So the 6 is out Now I need to choose between the 8 and the 3 this part of the bet usually involves either the lower odds horse or the higher odds horse In this case I have the higher odds horse already with the 7 My ideal betting pattern is a high odds horse and a horse with good readouts that will pay over $7.00 I needed to pick between the 8 and the 3 The 3 improved to VDC 1 the 8 dropped to VDC 3 I make a correct choice in this race my second bet # 3 turned out to run second Hope this makes sense Please this is just how I do races I am not saying you soul use this method All my handicapping has been done in the pace line selection method I use the best of the last 3 races I only use races were the horse ran well I used to use the e/l graph as a factor ,But now with the advances in the programs its easy to use the Late early patterns of a horse in the pace line selection part of the procedure That's why after I have picked my lines I only wager cap GS Bill

05-06-2006, 06:50 AM	#8
admin Administrator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,643	readouts Hi Shoeless what do you mean? can I see your final contenders was it a betting decision or contender selection?

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05-05-2006, 08:26 PM	#1
admin Administrator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,643	Race 4 CT 0505 Here are my readouts for third race Using Vector My bets are the 7 and the 3 Attached Images

05-05-2006, 09:09 PM	#2
dogkatcher Grade 1 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 478	Way to Go, Binder!!! Nice hit. now you can spread it out in the Derby tomorrow. # Horse Jockey Weight Win Place Show 7 Affirmed Pleasure Almodovar Gerald 116 41.40 13.20 5.80 3 Unison Moon Ramirez Erick 116 4.00 2.80 1 Trumpets Delight Castro Carlos L. 116 4. 2$ Exacta 7-3 $191.60 Woooooooooohooooooooooooooooo

05-05-2006, 10:29 PM	#4
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,019	are u serious man! 20/1 winner Binder is in the house and he is taking names and hammering horses! Tremendous hit Bill Richie " I am a simple man and just follow Doc's directions". - Binder - May 2002

05-05-2006, 10:59 PM	#5
WAB Maiden Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2	Mr. Binder, I see that you have 3 contenders for this race: 7,8,& 3. My question is the following: How did you select the 2 contenders that you posted? Did you go by ML odds, V/DC readouts only? When you consider your contenders, do their BL line scores have to be within 4 points of each other or at this point it doesn't matter? Awaiting your reply, Andy B.

05-06-2006, 06:28 AM	#7
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,650	Bill,Great job in getting that race,I screwed that one up not looking at the readouts properly.Oh well you learn from your mistakes.Jeff

05-06-2006, 08:57 AM	#9
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,650	betting decision not being able to interperate the readouts properly.

05-06-2006, 10:46 AM	#10
alydar_ David Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,654	Nice hit! And it's good to see the old Binder Method explained again. Bill, maybe you could use that DECL readout in Spec like the V/DC readout in Val for the Binder method?