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Grade 2
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Fells Point MD
Posts: 95
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Calculating TPR
I am working on calculating TPR, and got lost in the math.
Let me start with EPR 2nd call 45.3 the EPR is 92 - 1 1/2 BL = 91 LPR 1:11 time is 71 sec. - SC 45.3 = 25.7 is LRP 81 plus 1 length ahead= LRP (FFP) 82 If Tres Belle was a SP why such a good EPR and low LRP TPR is 174 any help would be great. Thanks Don |
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The egg man
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
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Adjustments
Hi Don
I have a couple of questions How are you figuring the the TPR in regards to the track to track and daily track variant ? Second were are you seeing Tres as a SP ? It looks like a presser to me The last line it was 4th but against a much fast POR than its other races were it was closer to the pace |
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Grade 2
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Fells Point MD
Posts: 95
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Hey Bill, Yes sorry he is a presser,
Im talking TPR in regards to the track to track and daily track variant. I am keeping a model from the result charts after the race has run and my other Handicap Profile is before the race was run. That's the info I have before the race. I also keep a betting model I am still trying to find record keeping that works for me. The info Im seeking it for track profile, I thought it would be good to know what the real TPR of the race was. Do you agree? |
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The egg man
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
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Records are good
hey Don
All records are helpful, so good for you that you are doing your work. I find that of the 4 readouts of phase 1 I kept track of EP, LP, TPR and the E/L difference, I find the E/L difference to be the most helpful followed by the LP or FFR I don't really track or try to figure the TPRs anymore but I am glad I did at one time. Now that I understand what RDSS is doing with the phase 1 numbers I just go with them. They really only apply as each race match up dictates. Hey Don or anybody Looking at this screen, one of these horse's went wire to wire and paid $17.00 can you spot who it is was it horse A.B.C.D,E or F? GS Bill |
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Grade 2
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Fells Point MD
Posts: 95
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Thanks Bill, how do you record the E/L diff. Do you use the number in the bar?
Wire to wire is C 85.8 and 84.2 Thanks Don |
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The egg man
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
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I found the best thing for me is to go with the readout from the pace line I used. I think it works better than figuring the Phase 1 from the result chart, Either way has its advantages, Now as for as the wire to wire question, I think you need to look again its was not horse C. If you truely are using phase 1 How can horse C go wire to wire when its pace line puts it 3 to 4 legnths behind almost all the other horses. Please take a close look at what the Phase 1 screen is showing you Ted has done a fantasic job with the structure of this screen. It tells you pretty much the complete Phase 1 method. |
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Grade 1
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: CAMBRIDGE,MA
Posts: 1,065
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Well Animated looks like a improving horse after all, ran a good race against a horse with a much higher seep rating. Good line selection! With my pace line she's more than likely not a contender!!
Waiver claimer long layoff, can't be claimed? Mike |
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The egg man
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
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Mike
good work Also The "waiver" horse has to be running back for the same price/class as its' last race OR higher. |
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Grade 1
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: CAMBRIDGE,MA
Posts: 1,065
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Bill, Thanks
I enjoyed the She's Animated post! Mike |
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The egg man
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
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Del race 4
She's Animated ran again yesterday at Delaware The track was sloppy
This time there was another E7 in the race - Horse 5 She's Animated was in Post 1 so I considered the chance that she would either break first and get the lead or that the 5 would also try for the lead and use too much energy early. # 7 Barbs Beauty is also a early type but being on the outside Maybe she would hold back and let them go I used line 1 Its a + line but also a trouble line , I figured she would be in position 3 again today Here is the Phase 1 screen Look how # 1 has the best EPR rating. Horse 5 is in trouble right here. Horse 1 She's could go wire to wire. If she fails who will catch her ? That is the decision. Is it horse 7 or 4. At this point I would go to thoromation but just using Phase I I would look at total pace and total energy and energy excretion. Once again thank you to Ted for putting everything in Phase 1 on one screen. Horse 7 and 4 are tied on TPR but horse 7 has a 2 point advantage on total energy. As for as energy horse 4 and 7 both use there energy more early than late If horse 4 had the same readouts but had a higher lp than ep I would have bet the 4 The phase 1 bets here would be 1 and 7 split 60/40 |
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