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Old 12-10-2018, 05:14 PM   #1
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Key Race

The definition for a Key race is where 2 or more horses coming out of a race go on to win their next start. I have heard it before but I was wondering, has anyone liked this as a angle or have you tried it in RDSS? Thanks all who reply.
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Old 12-10-2018, 07:04 PM   #2
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Hi Conley

I read someplace about a man looking at a river, He thought for a moment, Then realised
that this will always be a river, but he will never see what he saw again.
Within the Sartin Methodology, we don,t focus on key races, but rather on the tandem race concepts. You should read the tandem annual,
The mix of contenders you choose and the lines you use are showing which horses set and or over came the pace of race
That is the key to this match up.

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Old 12-11-2018, 10:22 AM   #3
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Sorry Bill, I didn't mean to say in RDSS. I was just asking if how often do you see a horse win off a key race?
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Old 12-11-2018, 02:52 PM   #5
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CheckMark can participate in this P&C Forum. He can buy handicapping literature or Past Performances wherever he likes if he feels like it and if his parents do not object. Appropriate jurisdictions' rules apply as to whether he can place a bet.

Bill - your opinions are noted!

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Old 12-11-2018, 03:04 PM   #6
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Ted,

My intent was to responsebly protect the
integrity of you. Bill V. and the board.
"CheckMark" seems like a bright young man.
I have no fault with him. In fact I wish him well.
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Old 12-11-2018, 05:31 PM   #7
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Thanks guys. Sorry I messed up about what to ask and what not to ask.
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Old 12-11-2018, 06:56 PM   #8
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I have found the key race angle to be a mixed bag in no small part to the definition. In a six horse field if the winner and place horse win their next out it is a key race. The fourth place horse who lost by 16 lengths does this mean you should give him special consideration? If four horses have won and the third place horse is entered at a favorable distance and level I would take a second look. Those situations are rare.
I have and still do use angles in my handicapping but generally to make the final decision between the contenders RDSS has pin pointed.
If I may suggest an author that I think could benefit you. Mark Cramer is a very easy read and informative and contrarian.
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Old 12-11-2018, 07:57 PM   #9
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Key Races

I limit my consideration of key races to Maiden Special Weight and Allowance NW-1X with large fields at major tracks. But generally, these races will be fast early and final time so you can see them just reviewing the pacelines. Often these winners will be immediately headed for stakes and graded races so it's pretty hard to sneak up on any horse that ran halfway decent against them.
The Key Race concept is from a former day when all you had was the racing form and results charts that you had to clip out and save. Anyone with a computer these days has all that information at their fingertips, so there is little wagering value.
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