Doc's Manual - Pace and Cap

shoeless · 07-17-2005, 12:32 PM

I have been reading that manual that I got from Binder.In it he talks about looking at the race conditions to see if horses can be eliminated.Also that spot play will be improved considerably by doing this.This is something that I do first and I wonder what has changed so much that people using Sartin Programs would stop.It is even so much more prevelent now because more and more races are written with conditions.If you need help with this a great read is The Handicappers Condition Book by James Quinn.Make sure it is the updated version. Shoeless

Binder · 07-17-2005, 12:45 PM

Hi Jeff
The yellow manual has a chapter on eliminating horses
by the conditions

When your reading that yellow manual
Just always keep In mind that when that was written
The methodology was about winning races at any price
win % was the number one goal
You may find that your losing because your using old methodology and
looking for prices which is in the modern /after follow Up #70(?)
method

Its best to go one way or the other

Binder

shoeless · 07-17-2005, 12:59 PM

Binder, That's good to know Im glad that you brought that up.I didnt realize that before it was % of winners not profit.Do you think that would apply to using programs as well if I wanted to go the % of winners route?Also pre FU 70 what programs were being used? Shoeless

Binder · 07-17-2005, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by shoeless

Binder, That's good to know Im glad that you brought that up.I didnt realize that before it was % of winners not profit.Do you think that would apply to using programs as well if I wanted to go the % of winners route?Also pre FU 70 what programs were being used? Shoeless

Hi Jeff I really don't know
I came in to the methodolgy at Follow up 69
Pl4 was the program then but I got synthesis
right after that. So Pl4 must have been around for awhile
I know about programs called Energy,Entropy Quad Rator Thoromation
Phase III PL2 but never saw anyof them

Maybe other can answer this

Binder

shoeless · 07-17-2005, 02:34 PM

Binder,But in smaller tracks for example CT and Penn trainers do this to get prices by running out of condition races and then back in.I know this is sorta off the beaten path which leads me to another question.Any chance of putting up a place where oddballs like me use mainstream handicapping with the programs.That way we wouldnt bore the people who have no interest in this.Of course I might be the only one to leave posts there. Shoeless

socantra · 07-17-2005, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by shoeless

Any chance of putting up a place where oddballs like me use mainstream handicapping with the programs.That way we wouldnt bore the people who have no interest in this.Of course I might be the only one to leave posts there. Shoeless

Jeff,

I really don't mean any disrespect by this, and I realize that we all use some mainstream handicapping, Doc included.

I think though, that on a board dedicated to carrying on the Sartin methodology, setting up a whole forum for those who choose to do things radically dfferent from what the Doc was teaching is probably not a good idea.

Dick...

07-17-2005, 12:32 PM	#1
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,651	Doc's Manual I have been reading that manual that I got from Binder.In it he talks about looking at the race conditions to see if horses can be eliminated.Also that spot play will be improved considerably by doing this.This is something that I do first and I wonder what has changed so much that people using Sartin Programs would stop.It is even so much more prevelent now because more and more races are written with conditions.If you need help with this a great read is The Handicappers Condition Book by James Quinn.Make sure it is the updated version. Shoeless

07-17-2005, 12:45 PM	#2
Binder Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Northern NJ Posts: 674	The manual Hi Jeff The yellow manual has a chapter on eliminating horses by the conditions When your reading that yellow manual Just always keep In mind that when that was written The methodology was about winning races at any price win % was the number one goal You may find that your losing because your using old methodology and looking for prices which is in the modern /after follow Up #70(?) method Its best to go one way or the other Binder

07-17-2005, 12:59 PM	#3
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,651	Binder, That's good to know Im glad that you brought that up.I didnt realize that before it was % of winners not profit.Do you think that would apply to using programs as well if I wanted to go the % of winners route?Also pre FU 70 what programs were being used? Shoeless Last edited by shoeless; 07-17-2005 at 01:03 PM.

07-17-2005, 02:34 PM	#5
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,651	Binder,But in smaller tracks for example CT and Penn trainers do this to get prices by running out of condition races and then back in.I know this is sorta off the beaten path which leads me to another question.Any chance of putting up a place where oddballs like me use mainstream handicapping with the programs.That way we wouldnt bore the people who have no interest in this.Of course I might be the only one to leave posts there. Shoeless