Poll Question

[shoeless]

I was wondering what program are you using and do you solely go by the readouts to make your wagering decisions.The reason I was asking is because during the Pirco days the teachers encouraged you to look at other factors and later on Doc seemed to be steering away from it.


I use Energy and will use other means to base my decisions on,such as class,trainers etc. Jeff

[shoeless]

Yesterday by over anaylizing the form and not just go by the readouts cost me.I had a 46.00 winner in the 1st at Bel and a 27.00 winner in the 7th at Philly both on the turf.I didnt collect on either of them.Jeff

[RAMON201]

Validator is my main program. After entering the pacelines and running it thru the Validator I look at the readouts and I will go over the PPs to make sure it makes sense to me. I pay little or no attention to the trainer, jockey, breeding , weight carried, etc. My main thing is are my contenders the real deal and can they perform with todays field. My wagering is sometimes straight win,place and other times exacta. I have had the tri on some occasions but more often than not didnt bet it. You can blow a lot of money trying to hit the tri. Yes sometimes I have spent way to much time looking at a race and got off a horse that I was going to bet only to lose the race. The other day I had a horse that was right on top in the bl-bl had a balance of 4 , looked to be in my eyes unbeatable and did not bet it because the morning line was 9/5. Needless to say this horse won and the public let him go off at 7-1. Whats really frustrating is to have a horse at 20-1 ML and have the public for some reason bet him down to 5/2 or less and not bet him because now he's not the value you thought and the horse wins. At times it seems that everything you do is wrong. When I get in a funk I'll take a break and play on paper , go over the races I missed to see if I missed something. Sometimes horses win races and there is no way you would have had this horse. The long and short of it is to work the Methodology the winners will come. In my mind the research has been done and theres no need on my part to try to reinvent it. What worked yesterday will work tomorrow. We have the advantage over the public because they are still using traditional handicapping methods , buying tip sheets , playing the favorite , playing a horse because they like his name , etc. I could go on and on but you get the idea.

[kiltman]

RAMON you said it all just as it plays out day in and day out. I use SPEC but its all the same. Dont look at jockeys, trainers. weight. It is just the readouts and what is getting the winners using the readouts that are working at your track.

[shoeless]

Thanks guys for you response so far it's 100%Readouts-2 Readouts+other info-1.Hopefully others will respond as well.Jeff

[Houndog]

Jeff, as you know Energy is the program I have been using. Lately I have been using Aodds for contender and pacline selection than saving them in the Energy format. I have been trying to get the contenders down to 4-6 horses.

If I can't do this then I probably don't have a good handle on the race. If you put too many horses in Energy the readouts will be all over the place. Why make it hard on yourself as you can always move on to another race and track without having to deal with so many unknowns. With Energy just as with the other Sartin programs the read-outs and how you interpret them is the most important part.

I will on occasion look at trainer records. I am not looking for good trainers, but looking at trainers with records such as 2/50, 0/40, etc. I have to get good odds on horses trained by these types regardless what the readouts look like. I need to make the risk I am taking by betting these worthwhile.

[dugoutgold]

hey Shoe, ive changed how i look at readouts etc over the years here. These days I look for the top 5 lowest odds horses and take it from there. Yes i miss a huge payoff once in a while but I just care about steady profit. Boreing but I have somewhat of a traders background here and use the old addage, keep your losses low! Meaning this I after getting the lowest 5/6 contenders then ill use my readouts. Also with the 2 horse dutch I often spilt the bets 60/40 if the lowodds horse looks that good and my second pick is around 4 to 1 or better. As you might guess i pass alot of races these days as I want the risk/reward ratio to be worth the bet. Also i do do keep simple models, On Val its the V/DC screen to look at trends. On spec which even though i tested many versions for Guy I was never constant I looked for the mug. per1 and 2 and the BBL.

[Rxlawyer]

Jeff:

I use Aodds Gold with Energy II. I use Aodds for projecting the time, selecting pacelines and contender selection. Then I send the data to Energy II. Then I use Energy II to make eliminations. Then I use Energy II to make my final decision which is based entirely on the various screens. Once in awhile I only get one or two contenders so I do not need to use Energy II.

Gary

[JoeLong]

Originally Posted by Rxlawyer

Jeff:

I use Aodds Gold with Energy II. I use Aodds for projecting the time, selecting pacelines and contender selection. Then I send the data to Energy II. Then I use Energy II to make eliminations. Then I use Energy II to make my final decision which is based entirely on the various screens. Once in awhile I only get one or two contenders so I do not need to use Energy II.

Gary

I am using Phase V Energy, I've never heard of Energy II, please explain. Thanks.

[Rxlawyer]

Dear Joe:

Energy II came out after Energy V. Worked very well with Aodds Gold 98. Very similar to Energy V with some improvements and some adjustments. I love the original Energy, but it is too hard to use with newer computers. Here is a screen shot.

Gary