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Old 10-18-2006, 12:37 PM   #1
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Practice race from "The Hat"

Jim picked this race himself and asked me to post it up.

This is a "Hat Special"

Again we will "see" the pp's like he does
NO dates
NO ml odds


He asked me to tell you " Remember identify running styles and project your pace from the FIRST call."

EVERYONE is welcome to post their working of the race here. Jim asked me to leave it up here for a few days and give folks a chance to work it and see it.

ok the distance of TODAY'S race is 8f on the dirt

this is the screenshot of the 1 horse
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Old 10-18-2006, 12:39 PM   #2
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the # 2 was scratched. This is the # 3 horse
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Old 10-18-2006, 12:40 PM   #3
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Old 10-18-2006, 12:42 PM   #4
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Old 10-18-2006, 12:44 PM   #6
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Old 10-18-2006, 05:29 PM   #7
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Too much early so I look for an early presser or presser.

I project the pace off of the first two calls of the 8 horse, and the final time of the six horse--22.8 46.4 1:43 (in tenths--about a 1:38 or 1:39 mile.)

The six horse has won as an E, EP and Presser--a dangerous animal. The six horse also won the race in 1:43 from which the early pace is projected.

The six is the only horse in the race with the proper running style that can run to the projected pace.

(If you look closely you can see that the six doesn't do well with a slower pace unless he can get the lead all by himself, in which case he has wired the field.)

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Old 10-19-2006, 02:43 AM   #8
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The way I see the Race

#1 E (This horse needs to Lead)
#2 S
#4 E
#5 S
#6 EP
#7 P
#8 E (This horse needs to lead)


The Main Tandem horses are #6 and #8. (the fastest)


You can throw out all the other horses and match #6 and #8.

Or you can do it the other way. #1 and #8 both are need to lead horses. They will both do battle up to the half. All the others will be to slow except the #6. The #6 should win the race.

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Old 10-19-2006, 11:47 AM   #9
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Good Race Example

This is another good example. I will give it a try. My initial impression is we have alot of early types in this Match-Up, also a horse or 2 that are NL type of early horses.

#1 Early horse
#3 Looks like a presser to me with these horses.
#4 Early also NL type of horse.
#5 Sustained for me in this Match-Up
#6 E/P a versatile horse
#7 Presser (does not seem fast enough)
#8 Early

I am projecting a pace of around 47.3-112.4-139.3. I suspect the race to be won by an Early or E/P type. Which Early horses can I eliminate that will not get the lead today?

To me by virtue of his versatility how this horse can win on or near the lead, and considering the projected pace I would go with #6 as my win contender.

I see several of the other Early horses trying to expend to much Energy trying to stay with each other. For that reason if I was looking to hook #6 in an exacta I would use #5
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Old 10-19-2006, 06:53 PM   #10
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Practice

Here is my work

For running styles

1.E
2.SP
4.E
5.E
6.both E and SP
7.EP
8.E
for times I figure 23.4 47.2 112.4 139.3

Tandams are too tricky for this guy they are a big problem
for me and the edited PP are even more messing me up
I am stuggling big time

I figure the 6 and the 2 would be good win bets
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