Go Back   Pace and Cap - Sartin Methodology & The Match Up > General Discussion
Get RDSS
Google Site Search Get RDSS Sartin Library RDSS FAQs Conduct Register Site FAQ Members List Today's Posts

General Discussion General Horse Racing Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-15-2013, 02:50 AM   #1
Bill V.
The egg man
 
Bill V.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
Race analysis another way

Hi I started a new thread with my own way of doing a race
Because I can Jim is making very nice videos of this same race.
and I don't want to jump on his thread.

I am sorry that I don't show many different screens
and I really don't go into great detail about the times and positions.
The reason I don't is, as for as I'm concerned, my work and handicapping
comes from my line selection.

I guess I'm not doing RDSS it due because I don't make horses
secondary contenders, I don't hide or eliminate horses and I only look at
2 or 3 screens, In the race I will show I did not enter a line for some horses,
To me they were not win candidates so I just don't enter a line for those non contenders .

Any way here is my way of doing a race,
It involves ...
Understanding the race conditions
Using recent + or (+) pacelines
Making visual running style notations
Looking at the original lines screens
Then looking at either BLBL or the segments screen

Hope you like the video
Bill
mnr 4.mp4
Bill V. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 03:21 AM   #2
Bill V.
The egg man
 
Bill V.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
screens

I wanted to make two screen caps from the video

Here is the segments screen. although the 4 is not a early horse
RDSS projects it to have the best first fraction and turn time
The 3 is the Early horse so it is going to use its energy to stay ahead of the
4. It did but the 4 had enough energy to pass it and win.

Name:  segments screen.PNG
Views: 832
Size:  39.8 KB

Name:  results.PNG
Views: 783
Size:  115.7 KB
Bill V. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 09:09 AM   #3
dlivery
Grade 1
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Thornhill ON
Posts: 438
Bill

Very nicely done.

Lawrence
__________________
May all wagers be Winners...
dlivery is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 09:57 AM   #4
Bill V.
The egg man
 
Bill V.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
past performances

Here are the conditions, and entries screen
I have added the PP's with my pace line selection comments

Name:  entries.PNG
Views: 751
Size:  50.7 KB

Name:  Horse 1.PNG
Views: 811
Size:  117.1 KB

Name:  H2.PNG
Views: 823
Size:  122.8 KB

Name:  H3.PNG
Views: 785
Size:  123.6 KB
Bill V. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 09:59 AM   #5
Bill V.
The egg man
 
Bill V.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
horses

5 6 7

Name:  H5.PNG
Views: 828
Size:  130.8 KB

Name:  H6.PNG
Views: 822
Size:  123.1 KB

Name:  H7.PNG
Views: 801
Size:  123.5 KB
Bill V. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 10:18 AM   #6
Bill V.
The egg man
 
Bill V.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
horse 1

For some reason my screen shot for horse 1 above has the 4th line selected.
I used the last line

Name:  horse1.PNG
Views: 764
Size:  111.9 KB
Bill V. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 01:06 PM   #7
Because I Can Jim
Grade 1
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 203
Bill,

Thanks for the video and the posting. It is much appreciated.

In doing this, everyone can see different approaches. One is not more right or wrong than the other. They are just different.

It also show that it is possible to have different approaches and still end up on the same horse(s).

What I found most interesting from your video is your reasoning for eliminating horse 5, how your choice of paceline selected changes the "look" of the Segments tab and, finally, how you go about your thought process in analyzing a race.

Lastly, you made one video about 11 minutes long. Don't you agree it is really tuff to make short videos? You have got so much going on in your mind that you want to blurb out, yet, you are always watching the clock. I hope that this does not deter you from making other videos and making mutliple parts if necessary to be able to more fully explain your thinking about a race.

I also hope that in my or your making multiple videos, it does not deter people from watching them! LOL

Anyway, thanks for this. It is good to see a bit of ying against the yang so that new people especially can see that there really isn't just "One Way" of doing things.

Jim
__________________
I can explain it to you,
but,
I can't understand it for you.
Because I Can Jim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 01:14 PM   #8
Because I Can Jim
Grade 1
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 203
Ohhh... and just one last thing.... I almost forgot.....

Your showing the TRP+E/L tab points out somethign very interesting that I had not considered.

Look at the 3 horse. When you look at his past performances, it looks soooo early. Yet, when looking at the tab, the energy expenditure was so late at 12.0 in its last line. We both went back one line, albiet for different reasons. I have an affinity for energy versus say velocity. This is a good example of how things are not necessarily what they appear to be. Don't you agree?
__________________
I can explain it to you,
but,
I can't understand it for you.
Because I Can Jim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 02:49 PM   #9
Bill V.
The egg man
 
Bill V.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
timing

Thank You Jim

Yes I know what you mean, If I make the video too long, sometimes its hard
to upload and then I have to have Ted's help.

As you heard I'm thinking about the time and I do get nervous,

Anyway I'm glad you liked the video. I would make more but I think my
way of doing races does not make a good video because I really don't use RDSS to its full extent.

As far as the Early Late graph on the TPR screen, I have used the Early Late graph since it first
became part of the methodology. I use it as a visual, Its easy for me to see
energy excretion figures in the various lines and I can spot lines which are
not typical, Ted did a good thing by letting us see the + races color coded
and the early late graph on the same screen as the pace lines
Bill V. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 04:06 PM   #10
Because I Can Jim
Grade 1
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 203
You are welcome Bill.

I do not use RDSS to its full extent either. Whatever I do or whatever you do is more than good enough. Anything anyone does as long as it is constructive is good enough. So, again, thanks for the effort. I got something out of it even though you may not feel it is "good enough."

Jim
__________________
I can explain it to you,
but,
I can't understand it for you.
Because I Can Jim is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
20 Race Cycles - For Beginners and Old Alike Because I Can Jim Sartin Methodology Handicapping 101 (102 ...) 1 04-13-2017 04:56 PM
Adjustments Question Ted Craven RDSS2 / FAQ's 3 06-29-2014 04:22 PM
UPDATED - Official Contest Rules, beginning AUGUST Ted Craven August Contest 1 07-24-2012 11:09 PM
Race Analysis Confirmation using the VELOCITY SCREEN Bill Lyster RDSS 2 12-08-2011 02:19 AM
Jim Bradshaw's 5 Step Approach to learning the Matchup RichieP Hat Check - How Can We Help You? 1 05-25-2009 10:52 AM


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:04 PM.