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[Mitch44]

One thing you'll learn here dandy 68 is that there is a wide range of opinions, partly due to many members. Some of these opinions can lead a new member astray in many areas such as picking pace lines. Every member reads and interprets the same data a little different. At times there can be too many hands in cooking this recipe.

RDSS has running styles, NTL(need to lead ) horses and many other things that matchup cappers use. Again the matchup is included in the RDSS program. Take your advice from Ted Craven, Bill V. and Ted's Mother also gives excellent handicapping examples.

Read the stuff yourself and see how those running this site do it and you'll be off to a great start. There is more to horseracing than being in the lead at the second call.

Wishing you success,
Mitchman

[Bill V.]

Actually I am going to be hated for telling my opinion. I also know this works so if i'm hated I am sorry you hate me. Believe me I have done it all.
I also have tried to handicap and do the match up and I failed.

Basically you can do very well forgetting all about visual match ups and who will take the lead and adjustments . You also don't really need to understand
the meaning of each of the staple readouts .

Just read and reread (and ask questions) here on PC about follow up 80 to 88
Just absorb the info in those follow ups, Get RDSS2 or Val4 from Ted
and pick the best paceline of the last three races at a comparable distance and surface. Go to the bottom line betting line and look at 3 things The rankings of the BLBL, The vdc ranking and the Early /Late graph Now bet the best 2 of your top 3, Make your first bet the first horse of those 3 that will pay over $7.00 to win. For your second bet bet the horse of the top 3 that will pay the highest win price . Break ties and close calls with the early late readouts and keep a simple model of what wins at your track

This is not going to win you any contest, or make you look smart , and your not going to be like Hat or Richie or Doc , so your not going to get any ego
satisfactions, However, You will get many high price horses and you will almost always show a profit every 20 race cycle .

The other reason for looking at the Early Late numbers is if you want to get into exactas. The winner and the place horse almost always run counter energy to each other . You also will see if one of your top 3 or 4 horse might be
too early or too late to win but may pay a nice price for place and show.


As you go along you will begin to try to refine your game by using tools like your visual perception and picking running styles but if your like almost EVERYBODY you will fail
so I suggest just keep it simple and take your profits

Bill

[mowens33]

Originally Posted by Bill V.

Actually I am going to be hated for telling my opinion. I also know this works so if i'm hated I am sorry you hate me. Believe me I have done it all.
I also have tried to handicap and do the match up and I failed.

Basically you can do very well forgetting all about visual match ups and who will take the lead and adjustments . You also don't really need to understand
the meaning of each of the staple readouts .

Just read and reread (and ask questions) here on PC about follow up 80 to 88
Just absorb the info in those follow ups, Get RDSS2 or Val4 from Ted
and pick the best paceline of the last three races at a comparable distance and surface. Go to the bottom line betting line and look at 3 things The rankings of the BLBL, The vdc ranking and the Early /Late graph Now bet the best 2 of your top 3, Make your first bet the first horse of those 3 that will pay over $7.00 to win. For your second bet bet the horse of the top 3 that will pay the highest win price . Break ties and close calls with the early late readouts and keep a simple model of what wins at your track

This is not going to win you any contest, or make you look smart , and your not going to be like Hat or Richie or Doc , so your not going to get any ego
satisfactions, However, You will get many high price horses and you will almost always show a profit every 20 race cycle .

The other reason for looking at the Early Late numbers is if you want to get into exactas. The winner and the place horse almost always run counter energy to each other . You also will see if one of your top 3 or 4 horse might be
too early or too late to win but may pay a nice price for place and show.


As you go along you will begin to try to refine your game by using tools like your visual perception and picking running styles but if your like almost EVERYBODY you will fail
so I suggest just keep it simple and take your profits

Bill

Bill, I respect your opinion and your thoughts and want to thank you for all the help (and criticism at times) you gave me when I became a member. For you to take the time and the effort to answer my post were so very much appreciated!
Thanks, Mike

[The Pook]

Originally Posted by Bill V.

Actually I am going to be hated for telling my opinion. I also know this works so if i'm hated I am sorry you hate me. Believe me I have done it all.
Bill

I was just doing my Monday morning Challenge tally and came across this ongoing post and felt the need to comment.

I'm with Mike on all this.

Bill, your and Teds site is amazing! I read everything you guys post. I really like Bill when you make those videos using software like Val4 for races like the Belmont. I wish you would do more of those. It is just neat to see a guy like you who knew all the mentors, actually do your stuff with some older software.

And Ted your assembly of words like that which you wrote above.....you describe it all so succinctly. There is no one best way for everybody. Meeting Ted and coming across this site turned my game around. I am mostly a Matchup guy but I have fun with all of it.

So dandy68 you are in a great spot here. Listen to all the folks above who took the time to post into this thread. You have a good chance of doing well.

Pook