Message for J2EEDeveloper

[tfm]

Originally Posted by shoeless

Mike, Im not a good judge of this like others are out there and by looking at the pp's I would not not have played the race.The main point of this thread is when someone is trying to help others by giving good info with examples even if you disagree with it let the person finish what they started.This would be a heck of a lot more helpful then to keep sidetracking the thread with other useless pieces of information.

I don't get it with you. I've been reading your posts for a few years now (here and on PA) and you're still basically stuck in the same place. You're either whining about something or trying some new program. If using someone else's program or method was the way to go, then we wouldn't be seeing so much REDBOARDING on this forum. Everybody would be wining. It's simple enough to pick winners, and every so often we all do it. Coming around after the fact is just poor taste, IMO. But I digress.

Getting back to you. Instead of bitching all the time why not channel that effort into something MORE PRODUCTIVE: like actually learning about the game. Watch some replays, keep some notes, try to understand what happens in a race. Breaking down a race in terms of splits and split times is a very NARROW approach to a very complicated game. (It's like conventional medicine, which treats the individual symptom rather than taking a wholistic approach.) Some would have you believe that by following a certain method you can win. And when you don't it's because you need to take their method to the next level, and the level after that, etc. There are no shortcuts here. The game is too complicated and much too hard. Learn it on your own, at your own pace, rather than following the failing methods of others. At the end the rewards will be worth the effort and it'll be ALL YOURS.

[shoeless]

TFM, Actually not whining or attacking people such as your doing just giving my opinion.In these economic times of ours Im just trying to keep a roof over my families head by trying to work as hard as I can on my job.Playing the races at this time is not my NO 1 priority.Have a nice day.

[Bill V.]

Jeff The Sartin Methodology is a great way to
help out in these tough times

Each member here must work and win at there own confort level
If it helps to post before or after the fact
lets respect those members confort level.

If having to post before hand causes the member to get some
"yips" and lose a race, is that helpful to anyone ?

The Follow up is filled with races to learn from

No matter what Sartin time frame you are confortable
working in.. but The Sartin Methodology
is paceline and contender selection based,
so what works for you is the most important thing

We all want to help In ways that we feel show our
strengh. As you point out there are people here
that offer there help both before and after
so there should be no issue

Bill

[RichieP]

A man named "Boxcar" created a website 2 years ago to explain a methodology he was working based on the principals of Ray Talbout.

For one YEAR he posted nothing but redboarded races (hundreds of them btw) on this site BUT also showed concepts,screen shots and offered feedback/help. 100% redboarded races. Hundreds of them.

ONE man Giuseppe Ledda took these redboarded races and quietly developed a way of working them that he could call his own because he BELIEVED the concept. he then started making small bets then a bit larger. last year he made thousands of dollars and paid for at least half of his daughters wedding.

All starting from a website EXCLUSIVELY showing REDBOARDED races. Without that who knows if Mr. Ledda would even be in the game today forget about flourishing.

Now the big question:
This is a Sartin Methodology website(the title says so right?). Folks that come here see whats what. They do 1 of 3 things:

1) Buy into it and work HARD to see if they can make a go of it for THEMSELVES. If they succeed they have found a home. If they fail they gave it a shot and moved on respecting all the while the folks here that really want to help (btw NOBODY is getting rich from any of this ok? But folks should know that already right?)

2) Know it is not for them right away and quietly leave to go on about their business elsewhere no harm no foul. This includes anyone who thinks we are bull**** liars, cheats and malcontents/losers. You absolutely HAVE THAT RIGHT and are ecstatic we are betting into your pools. Btw at least 80-90%(probably more) of folks coming here to "see whats what" should be in THIS group. Doc's methodology/concepts dictate this.

3) Stay here NOT buying into the Methodology BUT insist on posting negative energy posts that might inhibit posters looking for positive energy/help/feedback from posting stuff or asking for help cause they do not want the aggravation.

I ask most respectfully that folks please put themselves in the 1st or 2nd group NOW and act accordingly please. Speaking only for MYSELF I would afford all of you the same courtesy if I was a GUEST on YOUR site/methodology.

Thank you all for your time. Now it is back to shrink wrapping Mom's house for the winter as her oil bills are up 32% from last year.

Richard Pizzicara
Moderator

[shoeless]

Bill, Your reply summed it up quite nicely,I will refrain from posting anything else on this subject matter.Jeff