Items on BL BL screen and Pace Balance speed - Pace and Cap

rjaymes24 · 11-01-2010, 01:52 PM

Ted or anybody,

Can you please give me a little information on how to get/ calculate HID# (hidden energy)from raw data on the velocity screen.

Thank you in advance.

RYan

Ted Craven · 11-01-2010, 02:24 PM

Ryan,

Hidden Energy is approximately the average of F2 and F3 velocities or (F2+F3) / 2. Generically, useful in shorter Turf routes (along with something like TS+F3 on the Segments Screen, or TS+Deceleration from Velocity Screen. But situationally, it can also be a factor to model on various surfaces (but particularly routes, I think) depending on what the track geometries are, what specific portions of the race occur on the far turn, the length of the stretch run, etc.

Ted

rjaymes24 · 11-01-2010, 07:00 PM

i'm confused, Hidden energy is HID# on the energy screen, right? When I add F2 and F3 and divide them by 2, I dont get the same number as the one on energy screen.

Ted Craven · 11-01-2010, 07:54 PM

Correct. I mentioned that the formula described is approximate. The concept is as I described. The rank of Hidden energy shown on the Energy screen or on the BL screen should be about the same as you would get if you rank the average of F2+F3 - never more than 1 rank difference in any case I can think of.

The actual formula used for Hidden Energy is not average of F2+F3. The actual Hidden Energy number is unimportant. What is important is both the rank and the gap between ranks, as shown on the Perceptor/Primary factor screen where all the Primary factors (including Hidden) are shown as Best (0.0%) and % deviation from best.

Hope that helps.

Ted

rjaymes24 · 11-01-2010, 09:05 PM

Thanks, Ted. That helps. I'm trying to create a template on some of my favorite tracks and one track in pacticular has HID ranks the winnner as first or second most of the time. Just thought, If I can manipulate F2 and F3 values to get the value of HID on my spreadsheet, it might help predict a single horse or two on my pick threes. But to understand the essence of the ranks and the gap between ranks is even better. Again thank you.

11-01-2010, 02:24 PM	#2
Ted Craven Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 9,242	Ryan, Hidden Energy is approximately the average of F2 and F3 velocities or (F2+F3) / 2. Generically, useful in shorter Turf routes (along with something like TS+F3 on the Segments Screen, or TS+Deceleration from Velocity Screen. But situationally, it can also be a factor to model on various surfaces (but particularly routes, I think) depending on what the track geometries are, what specific portions of the race occur on the far turn, the length of the stretch run, etc. Ted __________________ RDSS - Racing Decision Support System™

11-01-2010, 07:54 PM	#4
Ted Craven Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 9,242	Correct. I mentioned that the formula described is approximate. The concept is as I described. The rank of Hidden energy shown on the Energy screen or on the BL screen should be about the same as you would get if you rank the average of F2+F3 - never more than 1 rank difference in any case I can think of. The actual formula used for Hidden Energy is not average of F2+F3. The actual Hidden Energy number is unimportant. What is important is both the rank and the gap between ranks, as shown on the Perceptor/Primary factor screen where all the Primary factors (including Hidden) are shown as Best (0.0%) and % deviation from best. Hope that helps. Ted __________________ RDSS - Racing Decision Support System™

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rjaymes24 AlwNW1X Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5	Ted or anybody, Can you please give me a little information on how to get/ calculate HID# (hidden energy)from raw data on the velocity screen. Thank you in advance. RYan

11-01-2010, 07:00 PM	#3
rjaymes24 AlwNW1X Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5	i'm confused, Hidden energy is HID# on the energy screen, right? When I add F2 and F3 and divide them by 2, I dont get the same number as the one on energy screen.

11-01-2010, 09:05 PM	#5
rjaymes24 AlwNW1X Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5	Thanks, Ted. That helps. I'm trying to create a template on some of my favorite tracks and one track in pacticular has HID ranks the winnner as first or second most of the time. Just thought, If I can manipulate F2 and F3 values to get the value of HID on my spreadsheet, it might help predict a single horse or two on my pick threes. But to understand the essence of the ranks and the gap between ranks is even better. Again thank you.