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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Reno, NV
Posts: 455
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I don't think anyone is advocating to blindly use the last line. The last line is important though, Hambleton told me to always look at the last line, since there might be a hidden move or something there that doesn't jump out to the eye. Howard told me the best paceline advice he had to give was to use the last line unless you have a reason to use another. For example, the last line isn't the same distance/surface so go further back. I am by no means an expert, but I try to always look at the last line, whether I use it for my handicapping or one further back.
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 9,258
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Well - if you ask me, use the Default settings ![]() (that's why they're defaults). Best of Last 3 comparable distance structure and surface, and default Adjustments for DTV and use of TrackMaster Inter Track Variants.Together with the new Rx line (in testing in RDSS V2.1) this gets you the winner in the Top 4 better than BLBL, and between 77 - 80% of the time (depending on field size, surface, FTS, etc). Then you should do due diligence about whether the chosen line is within the E/L distribution range for this distance/surface, whether there are too many other horses in the race with better CSR ratings (i.e. Top 5 win ~85%+ of all races) or other Contender qualification strategies you use (though this is sometimes a great way to zig and zag and tout yourself off 'apparently' sketchy horses with can still win (or Place). Or you can just try 100 races and see what the defaults + 'hands-off' get you, by way of valid Contenders. THEN - as you know - you see what kind of odds you are offered for your Top 4. If you have a consistent strategy for eliminating (or hedging) the betting favourite - or confirming the favourite is legitimate, then passing or seeking value in exotics including horizontals - then, along with confirmation by the tote board analysis (Tx1, Tx2) - you're getting close ... ![]() Ted
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Grade 1
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Valley Stream NY
Posts: 11,516
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Way to go Bill.
Tim G
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The egg man
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
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Thank You
Mr. Pagine
Yes The BC seems so far away, but with racing, the year goes so fast. First stops are the triple crown preps, Then my annual trip to Santa Anita for the SA Derby. Then the big 3 races Kentucky, Pimlico and NYC Belmont The wild ride up to Woodbine for the Queens plate Then we move to Monmouth, I have to do a bunch of races from the Jersey shore for Brooks, Maybe to Saratoga this time Then of course get ready to head to Parx for the Penn Derby and then look before we know it its birthday time and the Breeders Cup in my backyard right here at Del Mar Yea 2017 !!!! |
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The egg man
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
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Thanks
Thank you Richie, Tim and Bob
I don't usually play the pick 3 Its been only pick 4's I got to Del Mar Just as race 1 was going off and I saw the track was muddy I just rolled into town, My buddy told me its been raining for days. That explains the LP bias It never rains in Socal, yes it does and when it does SA gets Late. I watched race 1 and 2 again favor my LP horses - and or TPR So since race 2 is the start of the pick 4 I could only do race 3, 4, 5, The 4 in race 5 was 2/5 so I was happy to win that race and get a nice payer Bill |
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turf historian
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 6,455
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Odd, as long as I have been recording biases, RAIN creates the earliest of early biases.
This baloney about the pace horse selectively tiring has NO biases in fact as ALL the horses are running over that same surface and it any tiring is the result, they are ALL subject to it.
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Grade 1
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Valley Stream NY
Posts: 11,516
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I believe that what happens when a track is sly and then proceeds to dry out going to mdy and then good is different at each track. I don't believe that one can make a blanket statement on what running style will prevail. In my humble opinion one must know their tracks and maintain records.
Tim G
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Grade 1
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Thornhill ON
Posts: 438
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Parx ruled
Excellant racing
Will see later action To-day
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Last edited by dlivery; 01-10-2017 at 07:22 AM. Reason: spelling |
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The egg man
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
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SA was once again fast on Sunday and Early positional dominated, The races also were extremely formful.The three lowest morning line horses won 7 of the 9 races The lowest morning line horse won 5 times the 2nd lowest 1 time the 3rd lowest 1time |
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The egg man
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
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Most recent SA Model - Profile 20 races
Last 20 races SA
Last edited by Bill V.; 01-10-2017 at 02:45 PM. Reason: cleaner screen shot |
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