Passing Races your #1 win weapon - Page 2 - Pace and Cap

Bob Cochran · 12-30-2007, 01:00 PM

Jeff, check your email. I sent you some info

BobC

bobp · 12-30-2007, 01:50 PM

Yep!

shoeless · 12-30-2007, 08:53 PM

Bob C and Jigsaw,Although you both have different points of view thanks very much for the advice.I think one of my biggest problems right now is confidence.Take for instance today in the 5th at Calder.Emilio has been kind enough to help me with the match up.One of his plays he taught me led me to the 2 horse in this race and he looked good.So what do I do I second guess myself and play the 4 who is still running and the 2 ends up winning.This not not a good sign for anyone who plays the horses.Jeff

Bob C thanks for the info and Im still working on Taulbot's 39 lessons.

gl45 · 12-30-2007, 09:06 PM

here you again.....we just touch the second guessing game a few days ago, live I might add, and what you do......
Pino

shoeless · 12-30-2007, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JIGSAW

I heard a person who had been handicapping for 35 years on this sight can't win and was going to quit. My heart goes out to this person because for years I was zig zagging and getting tagged. I would lose money and go find more and do it again.

There is good news. If you really want to win follow these instructions.

1. Do not bet Maiden Races.

2. Do not bet 2 year olds.

3. Do not bet into a race unless all the contenders have 3 running lines.

4. Do not bet races with First Time Starters or Foreign horses with no running lines.

These kind of races are what the track connection use with inside information to seperate you from your money. Eliminate these races. With hundreds of races to choose from it makes no sense to donate your money.

I believe Howard would have directed people into the .10 cent Superfecta's.
They pay 3 times what Trifecta's pay and put you in a better bet to return ratio. The bet I use is the 4 horse box for $2.40. With the knowledge and programs we use you will be surprised by your ROI if you are consistent.

This bet also keeps big betters out of tax trouble. You can have a bunch of tickets for .10 cents and still hit big. The person that tries to go to the track with limited funds should love this bet. You can win big without going broke.

Did I follow my own advise tonight. Amazingly enough yes. 12-29-2007 Sam Houston I looked at the card and passed everything per my rules. This left me with race 3-5-9. I boxed my 4 horses for $2.40 a total of 7.20. I bet these and went to my family gathering. I try not to let Horseracing consume me. All I care about is ROI.

Lost the 3, Lost the 5th, and surprise hit race 9 with a 50-1 shot 4th. The Super paid $884.20 for a dollar. My .10 cent ticket pays 10% which is $88.42.

Bet $7.20 made $81.22 Profit. Return on Investment 11.28 thats 11 times your money. Try doing that betting 2 horses to win.

Not bragging just teaching. Discussion is very welcome.

Denny

Jigsaw,This is some of the best advice I have gotten ,I try not to let Horseracing consume me.That's exactly what I have been doing ,Im no professional gambler and VERY FEW are.I spend more time on this site reading and posting then I do relaxing at home after work.I need to take a step back and start to breathe the fresh air.There's more to life then some dang horse race.Jeff

shoeless · 12-31-2007, 12:59 PM

APPARENTLY SOMEONE DELETED THIS POST FROM THIS THREAD

Pino
How long ago was it that we all met up for the day at the races? 4 years now?

Remember it was you,Shoe,Jeff(phase111)and his boy Kevin, Bill and his dad Brooks and me.

I remember driving back that evening with Bill and Brooks and telling them how impressed I was with what went on that day. What a day it was.

"Shoe" was focused on turf races only and was doing his "Quinn thing" with the 3rd fraction and also looking at the trainer stuff in the racing form.he came up some horse on the grass and he ran his eyeballs out just missing the win at over 10/1. I remember telling him "how the hell did you come up with him". He showed me his work on the form and there it was. HIS way Pino. HIS way.

You used your spreadsheet that you tried explaining to me (you were very kind cause I was retarded when it came to that stuff! lol). I remember though that you were serious and focused. Where was it Delaware? You used this horse in exactas that you loved and we all watched him win at OVER a hundred dollars with you getting nipped for 2nd in your exacta. My memory is very good paisan! Remember that paisan?

Each of us was doing our own individual thing and we all had a blast. Bill's dad "Brooks" was looking at his class and jockey stuff like he had been doing for years and hit a nice one.

ok so what is the point here?

Jeff here it is straight big bro:

You will NEVER win using or applying any form of matchup handicapping. NEVER. Whether software aided or not. Why? Because it is directly opposite of your beliefs and comfort zone in racing that you have been doing for over 30 years. 30 YEARS of capping.

Here are YOUR strengths and they ARE strengths.
1) Turf racing using your Quinn stuff you showed me. You KNOW what you are doing and know it well. When are you going to FORGET everything on THIS board and play to JEFF's strength??

2) Contender selection and trainer stuff. Honestly NOBODY knew Charlestown in this way better than you back then Jeff. NOBODY. You knew what you were doing and knew it well. When are you going to FORGET everything on THIS board and play to JEFF's strength??

3) Using VERY recent lines to evaluate horses.This is YOU. YOU are VERY good at it. So why and how in the hell do you think the "matchup" in ANY form can be for you? Where looking at lines 7,8,9 are COMMON and NECESSARY to win. You do NOT need the matchup in any form to win. It's killing you and your spirit for the game that you loved for decades.

**** the matchup Jeff
**** software Jeff
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

When are you going to FORGET everything on THIS board and play to JEFF's strength??

People reading your posts here and on other boards have NO ****ing clue how sharp you are in areas that YOU are familiar with.

When are you finally going to abandon EVERYTHING you are not and just be yourself and have FUN again?

Jim G gave you the BEST advice right out of the box almost 3 months ago in the thread you started. It is still there for the taking.

Love,
Richie

shoeless · 12-31-2007, 01:07 PM

Richie,I have got to thank you for fuelling some fire under this fat body of mine.

2008 Resolutions

1)Lose some serious weight I get out of breath tying my shoes.I still miss my Mom and Dog and have been eating like a PIG.I know this is a bad excuse for doing so but that's how I handle depression and stress

2)Become better at the match up then Richie,he made a statement that I cant do it.Got to teach these youngins not to COUNT US OLD MEN OUT when it comes to learnin new things.

Times a wastin got to go study now. Hasta La Vista

shoeless · 12-31-2007, 04:19 PM

Richie,Tell your Mom I said to have a HAPPY AND HEALTHY NEW YEAR and you do the same.

Bill,Hope you and your family have a HAPPY AND HEALTHY NEW YEAR too.

Hope everyone on board has a HAPPY AND HEALTHY NEW YEAR.Thanks to all you know who you are that helped me get through this depressing year I had.Jeff

admin · 12-31-2007, 06:12 PM

Thank You Jeff

I hope you achieve all your goals

Me too I need to get back to my studys

I'm deep into the psychology of winning manual

12-30-2007, 01:00 PM	#11
Bob Cochran Grade 1 Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 330	Shoeless Jeff, check your email. I sent you some info BobC

12-31-2007, 12:59 PM	#16
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,655	APPARENTLY SOMEONE DELETED THIS POST FROM THIS THREAD Pino How long ago was it that we all met up for the day at the races? 4 years now? Remember it was you,Shoe,Jeff(phase111)and his boy Kevin, Bill and his dad Brooks and me. I remember driving back that evening with Bill and Brooks and telling them how impressed I was with what went on that day. What a day it was. "Shoe" was focused on turf races only and was doing his "Quinn thing" with the 3rd fraction and also looking at the trainer stuff in the racing form.he came up some horse on the grass and he ran his eyeballs out just missing the win at over 10/1. I remember telling him "how the hell did you come up with him". He showed me his work on the form and there it was. HIS way Pino. HIS way. You used your spreadsheet that you tried explaining to me (you were very kind cause I was retarded when it came to that stuff! lol). I remember though that you were serious and focused. Where was it Delaware? You used this horse in exactas that you loved and we all watched him win at OVER a hundred dollars with you getting nipped for 2nd in your exacta. My memory is very good paisan! Remember that paisan? Each of us was doing our own individual thing and we all had a blast. Bill's dad "Brooks" was looking at his class and jockey stuff like he had been doing for years and hit a nice one. ok so what is the point here? Jeff here it is straight big bro: You will NEVER win using or applying any form of matchup handicapping. NEVER. Whether software aided or not. Why? Because it is directly opposite of your beliefs and comfort zone in racing that you have been doing for over 30 years. 30 YEARS of capping. Here are YOUR strengths and they ARE strengths. 1) Turf racing using your Quinn stuff you showed me. You KNOW what you are doing and know it well. When are you going to FORGET everything on THIS board and play to JEFF's strength?? 2) Contender selection and trainer stuff. Honestly NOBODY knew Charlestown in this way better than you back then Jeff. NOBODY. You knew what you were doing and knew it well. When are you going to FORGET everything on THIS board and play to JEFF's strength?? 3) Using VERY recent lines to evaluate horses.This is YOU. YOU are VERY good at it. So why and how in the hell do you think the "matchup" in ANY form can be for you? Where looking at lines 7,8,9 are COMMON and NECESSARY to win. You do NOT need the matchup in any form to win. It's killing you and your spirit for the game that you loved for decades. ** the matchup Jeff software Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------- When are you going to FORGET everything on THIS board and play to JEFF's strength?? People reading your posts here and on other boards have NO *ing clue how sharp you are in areas that YOU are familiar with. When are you finally going to abandon EVERYTHING you are not and just be yourself and have FUN again? Jim G gave you the BEST advice right out of the box almost 3 months ago in the thread you started. It is still there for the taking. Love, Richie Last edited by shoeless; 12-31-2007 at 01:08 PM.*

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shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,655	Richie,Tell your Mom I said to have a HAPPY AND HEALTHY NEW YEAR and you do the same. Bill,Hope you and your family have a HAPPY AND HEALTHY NEW YEAR too. Hope everyone on board has a HAPPY AND HEALTHY NEW YEAR.Thanks to all you know who you are that helped me get through this depressing year I had.Jeff