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Binder · 09-07-2005, 07:55 PM

[QUOTE=TaWee]

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichieP

If it is all these people who give back NOTHING and take take take

I am sure there are lots of lurkers here, who, without the program must be very confused. so do they take ideas, picks, what???

How much more of a jerk can you be?
Confused!!!! With step by step
explanations ,Videos Follow Ups Free to read Chat room instant access Results posted, Screen shots of what a true winner (Rich is!!!) and I do my best

What would you like ?
If I can help you I will Thats the point of this group
Friends helping Friends with The methodology
how many times must I say this

If I could do more I would. If people are confussed they can -and do- Ask questions ,If they want to get into it, I send them to Guy
with a warning but I let them make that decision
Gee get with it

09-07-2005, 08:00 PM

[QUOTE=RichieP]

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaWee

If you are not a practitioner nor are interested in becoming one why are you here???
Good question "Ta" Richie

I learn from others and comment. Started out as methodologist BEFORE the ENGEN and KGEN programs were even written, then on to Phase III, then energy then Thoromation, etc....doesn't that qualify as a practitioner? THERE are MANY MANY variations on this method.

Don't buy into this "incestuous amplification" of ideas however. I question, improve and comment as such. Horse racing is VERY subjective.

RichieP · 09-07-2005, 08:09 PM

I started this thread

I have said what i wanted to say

Whether u agree or disagree I respect everyone who POSTS here

Binder is doing all this on a shoestring understand? He could use some help

Bill: put your address up please OR find a box or something if u are uncomfortable

People: Binder needs help in upkeeping the site. Help him.

Thank you
Richard Pizzicara

Fast4522 · 09-07-2005, 08:10 PM

I would not agree with everything in this thread, in fact there is alot I just can't see coming to pass. For starters this forum is currently is open to all and all are welcome, I would bet that Binder would be reluctant to change that. I just returned from Las Vegas 1 week ago and witnessed someone just giving away a Sartin program to a total stranger, in disbelief. Also talking to a regular guy I know and see every time I go there, he told me that he has had Val2 from day one and some guy just gave him Val3 the week before, he also mentioned that he was offered the new speculator from some guy and he declined it. If you have a laptop open folks just come right up to you there and start talking. Not to stirr things up too much and personally do not condone such things I thought I would post and share my 2 cents

shoeless · 09-07-2005, 09:58 PM

Tim, About being censored you should tell that to the person who runs the site ELSEWHERE that you are a moderator. Shoeless

shoeless · 09-07-2005, 10:12 PM

Bill,When I first met you I told you I couldnt believe you were using your own cash for this.It's up to you if you want to start charging to use this site not us.Whatever you decide Im sure everybody will understand I know I will.Shoeless

Jonathan Steele · 09-08-2005, 05:32 AM

My two cents: I'm a firm proponent of things in cyberspace should be free--if at all possible. Having said that, I would suggest that Bill seriously consider re-starting the old Yahoo! VDC group if this site is a beginning to be (or is) a financial burden. Sure, some of the benefits of this site would not be available in Yahoo! Groups--but free is free.* You can't beat that price!

Just a thought.

Jon

*Not that I'm a cheapskate or dirt poor, mind you. My way of thinking is, why pay for something if you really don't have to?

Binder · 09-08-2005, 06:31 AM

This is a Sartin Methodology group
Its for Doc, not me
I want and need no money from it
I want to win money at the track
If I can't make enough profit at the track to support this
then I don't belong doing it .

The original thought was to make it private
and of course the Idea of pay came up from friends and family
Thats all I wanted To make it for serious methodologist only
since I see the views and the post
its ovious that there are many more takers than givers
what we really need is a members only section
To get in you need a password

I have been working on making it private but
Oh please, forgive me for having 2 jobs, a side messenger
growing very fast, business
And the selfish disire of maybe making a bet
once in a while, All this with the same family and lovelife problems
everyone has. Sometimes changes don't happen as fast as I want

The group is a way to learn and keep my skills up by shareing my skills Before today things were looking real nice, Philly was back The post were all
quality, Not to much quantity but great. We finished the ASKED FOR REMEMBER!!!! task of doing a whole Del Mar card. What about the $43
dollars download BUDDY Nobody thought about that and I did it because I wanted to

I looped Rich's Betting clip over and over on VDC Radio
because once again he took the time to give and Its perfect for our group

why not you?

I am going to make this site great because we all deserve it
Doc gave us what he could till he had to stop

I was working on this

shoeless · 09-08-2005, 05:36 PM

Bill, I would like to THANK YOU for all the help that you and this site has given me plus being able to make some really good friends. Shoeless

Phase III Lives · 09-09-2005, 11:03 AM

I really appreciate all you do Bill and would support you in whatever decision you make. I feel that certain "Chance" meetings have such important impact on your future and I feel my finding your site and many of the people that make up the V/DC family have changed me for the better and will certainly make me a better handicapper. I also feel a close friendship to several members here.

Bill don't ever apologize for doing other things and being late doing anything here, I remember waiting what seemed like years to get my newsletter from John Meyer at the old TIS and to think how the Follow Ups if they were on time would be weeks late just by having them go thru the mail. I do agree wholeheartedly that this site is way more valuable than the Followups, but to their defense, that's the best they had and I couldn't wait to read each one.

I again appreciate everything, don't overdue and burn out - like I do and take care of yourself first.

Jeff

09-07-2005, 08:09 PM	#13
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,019	Please Read I started this thread I have said what i wanted to say Whether u agree or disagree I respect everyone who POSTS here Binder is doing all this on a shoestring understand? He could use some help Bill: put your address up please OR find a box or something if u are uncomfortable People: Binder needs help in upkeeping the site. Help him. Thank you Richard Pizzicara

09-07-2005, 08:10 PM	#14
Fast4522 Former member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Gun Country Posts: 363	Closed Site I would not agree with everything in this thread, in fact there is alot I just can't see coming to pass. For starters this forum is currently is open to all and all are welcome, I would bet that Binder would be reluctant to change that. I just returned from Las Vegas 1 week ago and witnessed someone just giving away a Sartin program to a total stranger, in disbelief. Also talking to a regular guy I know and see every time I go there, he told me that he has had Val2 from day one and some guy just gave him Val3 the week before, he also mentioned that he was offered the new speculator from some guy and he declined it. If you have a laptop open folks just come right up to you there and start talking. Not to stirr things up too much and personally do not condone such things I thought I would post and share my 2 cents

09-08-2005, 05:32 AM	#17
Jonathan Steele Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 471	My two cents: I'm a firm proponent of things in cyberspace should be free--if at all possible. Having said that, I would suggest that Bill seriously consider re-starting the old Yahoo! VDC group if this site is a beginning to be (or is) a financial burden. Sure, some of the benefits of this site would not be available in Yahoo! Groups--but free is free.* You can't beat that price! Just a thought. Jon Not that I'm a cheapskate or dirt poor, mind you. My way of thinking is, why pay for something if you really* don't have to? Last edited by Jonathan Steele; 09-08-2005 at 05:51 AM.

09-08-2005, 06:31 AM	#18
Binder Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Northern NJ Posts: 674	First of all This is a Sartin Methodology group Its for Doc, not me I want and need no money from it I want to win money at the track If I can't make enough profit at the track to support this then I don't belong doing it . The original thought was to make it private and of course the Idea of pay came up from friends and family Thats all I wanted To make it for serious methodologist only since I see the views and the post its ovious that there are many more takers than givers what we really need is a members only section To get in you need a password I have been working on making it private but Oh please, forgive me for having 2 jobs, a side messenger growing very fast, business And the selfish disire of maybe making a bet once in a while, All this with the same family and lovelife problems everyone has. Sometimes changes don't happen as fast as I want The group is a way to learn and keep my skills up by shareing my skills Before today things were looking real nice, Philly was back The post were all quality, Not to much quantity but great. We finished the ASKED FOR REMEMBER!!!! task of doing a whole Del Mar card. What about the $43 dollars download BUDDY Nobody thought about that and I did it because I wanted to I looped Rich's Betting clip over and over on VDC Radio because once again he took the time to give and Its perfect for our group why not you? I am going to make this site great because we all deserve it Doc gave us what he could till he had to stop I was working on this

09-09-2005, 11:03 AM	#20
Phase III Lives Grade 2 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southern Md Posts: 94	Pay/No Pay I really appreciate all you do Bill and would support you in whatever decision you make. I feel that certain "Chance" meetings have such important impact on your future and I feel my finding your site and many of the people that make up the V/DC family have changed me for the better and will certainly make me a better handicapper. I also feel a close friendship to several members here. Bill don't ever apologize for doing other things and being late doing anything here, I remember waiting what seemed like years to get my newsletter from John Meyer at the old TIS and to think how the Follow Ups if they were on time would be weeks late just by having them go thru the mail. I do agree wholeheartedly that this site is way more valuable than the Followups, but to their defense, that's the best they had and I couldn't wait to read each one. I again appreciate everything, don't overdue and burn out - like I do and take care of yourself first. Jeff

09-07-2005, 09:58 PM	#15
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,651	Tim, About being censored you should tell that to the person who runs the site ELSEWHERE that you are a moderator. Shoeless

09-07-2005, 10:12 PM	#16
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,651	Bill,When I first met you I told you I couldnt believe you were using your own cash for this.It's up to you if you want to start charging to use this site not us.Whatever you decide Im sure everybody will understand I know I will.Shoeless

09-08-2005, 05:36 PM	#19
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,651	Bill, I would like to THANK YOU for all the help that you and this site has given me plus being able to make some really good friends. Shoeless