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shoeless · 11-22-2008, 04:02 PM

Charlie and Tom, Are you following Doc's or Hat's way of doing the match up?It appears to me that even though they follow the same concept it is taught differently by each.Doc's was done by using the various programs and Hat's if your following his book seems to be done by the racing form.Jeff

Charlie D · 11-22-2008, 04:11 PM

I Match Up Jeff using RDSS in HAT mode

shoeless · 11-22-2008, 05:42 PM

Charlie,Since you have read the red manual do you think there is a difference between the way Doc and Hat teach the match up.The reason Im asking is because using Synergism 2 you have to setup the race either FW,Early or Late.I think it's best when you setup either early or late.

By the way good luck in using RDSS Hat mode it is a fine program and Im sure Ted will make significant improvements to make it even better.Jeff

Charlie D · 11-22-2008, 05:54 PM

Jeff

Doc's Methodolgy is computed and adjusted Fr1+Fr2+Fr3 to give you the, Energy readouts, FW, FX rankings etc - Bill Varone and others use Doc's Methodology

Hat's Match Up is RAW Fr1+ Fr2 +Fr3 - Charlie D and others Matchers use this

and thats difference

BTW, Hat mode is what i call the screens we post in Hat Check

Charlie D · 11-22-2008, 06:29 PM

Screen 1 is the Hats Match Up (raw)

Screen 2 and 3 are the Doc's Match Up (computed, adjusted)

shoeless · 11-22-2008, 10:04 PM

Charlie,I might be wrong on this but when Doc showed races he had done he would only show the top 5 horses according to total energy and line score.Also it seemed he never mixed distances or surface it would be best of last 3 at comparable distance which I agree with him 100%.I just thought I would point that out on your sample screens which I appreciate you taking the time to show.Jeff

tom · 11-22-2008, 11:03 PM

I don't use either 100%. I mix the ideas that Hat and Richie have shared, especially the power lines and power moves, using F1 and F2 to compare the earlies and decide if OTE will win. I use CJ numbers, and velocity from HTR, more Sartin style, but with the match up concepts.

shoeless · 11-22-2008, 11:25 PM

I have heard nothing but raves about HTR,I wish I was more number savvy to be able to get full use of it.

For The Lead · 11-23-2008, 06:44 AM

Shoeless, don't head for Las Vegas just yet, Jim McElwee is living in FLorida now. HE and Rxlawyer are friends of mine so I know this to be a fact.

shoeless · 11-23-2008, 07:16 AM

Thanks for the tip I didnt know he had moved.How is Gary doing?I sent him an e mail but never heard back from him I hope he is ok.I met him a few times and learned quite a bit he is very knowledgeable.

Did you ever send me an item that at one time was going for a good clip on e bay?

11-22-2008, 04:11 PM	#12
Charlie D Match Up Apprentice Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,105	I Match Up Jeff using RDSS in HAT mode Last edited by Charlie D; 11-22-2008 at 04:30 PM.

11-22-2008, 05:54 PM	#14
Charlie D Match Up Apprentice Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,105	Jeff Doc's Methodolgy is computed and adjusted Fr1+Fr2+Fr3 to give you the, Energy readouts, FW, FX rankings etc - Bill Varone and others use Doc's Methodology Hat's Match Up is RAW Fr1+ Fr2 +Fr3 - Charlie D and others Matchers use this and thats difference BTW, Hat mode is what i call the screens we post in Hat Check Last edited by Charlie D; 11-22-2008 at 06:01 PM.

11-22-2008, 06:29 PM	#15
Charlie D Match Up Apprentice Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,105	Screen 1 is the Hats Match Up (raw) Screen 2 and 3 are the Doc's Match Up (computed, adjusted) Attached Images

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11-22-2008, 04:02 PM	#11
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,613	Charlie and Tom, Are you following Doc's or Hat's way of doing the match up?It appears to me that even though they follow the same concept it is taught differently by each.Doc's was done by using the various programs and Hat's if your following his book seems to be done by the racing form.Jeff

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shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,613	Charlie,Since you have read the red manual do you think there is a difference between the way Doc and Hat teach the match up.The reason Im asking is because using Synergism 2 you have to setup the race either FW,Early or Late.I think it's best when you setup either early or late. By the way good luck in using RDSS Hat mode it is a fine program and Im sure Ted will make significant improvements to make it even better.Jeff

11-22-2008, 10:04 PM	#16
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,613	Charlie,I might be wrong on this but when Doc showed races he had done he would only show the top 5 horses according to total energy and line score.Also it seemed he never mixed distances or surface it would be best of last 3 at comparable distance which I agree with him 100%.I just thought I would point that out on your sample screens which I appreciate you taking the time to show.Jeff

11-22-2008, 11:03 PM	#17
tom Grade 1 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 644	I don't use either 100%. I mix the ideas that Hat and Richie have shared, especially the power lines and power moves, using F1 and F2 to compare the earlies and decide if OTE will win. I use CJ numbers, and velocity from HTR, more Sartin style, but with the match up concepts.

11-22-2008, 11:25 PM	#18
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,613	I have heard nothing but raves about HTR,I wish I was more number savvy to be able to get full use of it.

11-23-2008, 06:44 AM	#19
For The Lead Grade 1 Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,292	Shoeless, don't head for Las Vegas just yet, Jim McElwee is living in FLorida now. HE and Rxlawyer are friends of mine so I know this to be a fact.

11-23-2008, 07:16 AM	#20
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,613	Thanks for the tip I didnt know he had moved.How is Gary doing?I sent him an e mail but never heard back from him I hope he is ok.I met him a few times and learned quite a bit he is very knowledgeable. Did you ever send me an item that at one time was going for a good clip on e bay?