e/l relativity - Page 3 - Pace and Cap

tompkins · 03-09-2006, 12:09 PM

I never use the bottom line readouts. Same info is redundent on other screens

jms62 · 03-09-2006, 01:47 PM

Your early late theory certainly has merit for sprints but I think your are off base in promoting it as the soemething that works as a high probability for routes.. Take a single track and model it for Routes by distance (1 mi, 1'16 1'8) over 20 races and I don't think you will see it as a big factor... As a matter of fact I don't see you turning a flat profit choosing the top 2 E/L in routes over a 20 race period.. When we don't model we tend to just remember the successes. You provided 2 examples but 1 was a sprint (7fr) and the other a route so it really isn't even 2 examples of it working on the same track same day for routes... I'm more of an EPR/TS guy for sprints and LPR/TS guy for routes... Rank both for your contenders and average them and rank the average..

tompkins · 03-09-2006, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62

I'm more of an EPR/TS guy for sprints and LPR/TS guy for routes... Rank both for your contenders and average them and rank the average..

that is very logical

tompkins · 03-10-2006, 02:04 PM

Aqueduct's third top two e/l's are first and third. This time the winner 2 was 6/1

tompkins · 03-10-2006, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62

Your early late theory certainly has merit for sprints but I think your are off base in promoting it as the soemething that works as a high probability for routes...

Depends on the tracks...works for the ones I follow and admit that I look for tracks that have this profile and stay away from ones that don't

tompkins · 03-10-2006, 02:26 PM

Tampa's 5th A ROUTE e/l relativity again

that is a bad image...I will do it again

jms62 · 03-10-2006, 04:13 PM

Show me 20 races over a weeks time where it works in routes and I'll buy it.. Otherwise you are just showing us successes without any acknowledgement of when it doesn't work... Presenting the exception as the rule.. Thats how Amway recruits... Hit the 3rd at AQU but wasn't so fortunate on the early horses in the 5th and 7th.. Got the 2 and 7 in the 8th. Top 2 EPR/TS

Update 7 beaten late... 3 Consecutive races where late gets up

tompkins · 03-10-2006, 04:27 PM

Ideas are presented. Folks try them at the venues they follow. If they work okay, and if they don't okay. I don't have to the time to drag all those screens up for you. Do it yourself...remember all those times the teacher told the class "The proof is left to the student?" Same here

tompkins · 03-10-2006, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62

Update 7 beaten late... 3 Consecutive races where late gets up

maybe on the lines YOU picked. People rarely pick the same lines. I NEVER pick a single line for a race and did not bet the 5th or the 7th so can't comment on that.
You are assuming we are looking at the same pace lines and I doubt that seriously as I use an idea called an "early filter" even after several lines are chosen

tompkins · 03-10-2006, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62

Show me 20 races over a weeks time where it works in routes and I'll buy it.. Otherwise you are just showing us successes without any acknowledgement of when it doesn't work...

I would have to be a rank rookie to suggest admit that ANY angle works all the time. Of course it does not work all the time.

You, and most others are missing the essence of this angle so I will leave it at that.

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03-09-2006, 12:09 PM	#21
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	clarification I never use the bottom line readouts. Same info is redundent on other screens __________________ velocititian

03-10-2006, 02:04 PM	#24
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	just keeps repeating Aqueduct's third top two e/l's are first and third. This time the winner 2 was 6/1 __________________ velocititian

03-10-2006, 02:26 PM	#26
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	another one Tampa's 5th A ROUTE e/l relativity again that is a bad image...I will do it again __________________ velocititian Last edited by tompkins; 03-10-2006 at 02:29 PM.

03-10-2006, 04:13 PM	#27
jms62 Grade 1 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 798	Show me 20 races over a weeks time where it works in routes and I'll buy it.. Otherwise you are just showing us successes without any acknowledgement of when it doesn't work... Presenting the exception as the rule.. Thats how Amway recruits... Hit the 3rd at AQU but wasn't so fortunate on the early horses in the 5th and 7th.. Got the 2 and 7 in the 8th. Top 2 EPR/TS Update 7 beaten late... 3 Consecutive races where late gets up Last edited by jms62; 03-10-2006 at 04:26 PM.

03-09-2006, 01:47 PM	#22
jms62 Grade 1 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 798	Your early late theory certainly has merit for sprints but I think your are off base in promoting it as the soemething that works as a high probability for routes.. Take a single track and model it for Routes by distance (1 mi, 1'16 1'8) over 20 races and I don't think you will see it as a big factor... As a matter of fact I don't see you turning a flat profit choosing the top 2 E/L in routes over a 20 race period.. When we don't model we tend to just remember the successes. You provided 2 examples but 1 was a sprint (7fr) and the other a route so it really isn't even 2 examples of it working on the same track same day for routes... I'm more of an EPR/TS guy for sprints and LPR/TS guy for routes... Rank both for your contenders and average them and rank the average..

03-10-2006, 04:27 PM	#28
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	never took geometry? Ideas are presented. Folks try them at the venues they follow. If they work okay, and if they don't okay. I don't have to the time to drag all those screens up for you. Do it yourself...remember all those times the teacher told the class "The proof is left to the student?" Same here __________________ velocititian