"Pace Battle Races "/ Spot em / Work em /Win em - Page 5 - Pace and Cap

RichieP · 02-07-2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Binder

Rich a great big High Five to you

wow He had energy "''

Bill
DEEP in the stretch he got vicious.

He had a bit of "freak" in him

btw nice pop on that winner of the big SA race yesterday buddy! Keep focused on your contest.

Richie
"She's a super freak" - Rick James

Chip Napolitano · 02-07-2006, 08:27 PM

Wow !
Cn

Baum · 02-07-2006, 08:49 PM

Hey bill finally I got to the board

cprescigno · 02-07-2006, 09:12 PM

Great pace analysis Rich. And we see this match up about once every three to five race cards. If you are there when it happens it's a nice score, and since you are not dealing with an early horse it's always a nice overlay. Those early horses that collapse at the pace pressure are carrying all of the public's money on their backs.
This could have come out of Brohamer's Book. You sure you weren't a ghost writer for that one Rich??
You are right Rich, I would be looking to bang this Trifecta, and be looking for the Superfecta if there were one. Those are the bets you want to catch with some money on them. Nothing major but a few $5 Superfectas will work great here. A few $10 Trifectas are nice also. I don't hit them for those amounts normally but when the pace looks like this they are really strong bets. The bulk of the bet still goes on the Win/Exacta but if the Tri or Super hit it's like hitting 10 winners for nice prices.

Charlie

RichieP · 02-08-2006, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Baum

Hey bill finally I got to the board

Hey Raul!

What's up man? Great you signed up here. I hear you did real well couple of weeks back with Bill at the track buddy. Way to go

Sorry I couldn't get out there that day. I was with this kool chick up the block and before u know
it silk scarves came out and ...... umm lemme stop here

Hope you and the Mrs. are doing great!

Stay cool
Richie

RichieP · 02-08-2006, 09:26 AM

Couple of things please:

1) after I get my "positional bets" from the bl/bl screen I insist they must also be top 2 l/ep. ok if they are NOT and I mean BOTH of them I PASS the race. If one is and the other is NOT I do NOT bet the one horse that is. I PASS the race. When I bet these "Battle" races I NEED it ALL to come together. PATIENCE

2) 5f pacelines are the killer of readouts with the Sartin programs. They will screw up your readouts every time and I STRONGLY suggest you avoid using them like the plague man. Go back to testerday's Beu race and for the 6 horse we used the f6 on put that other 76 speedrating in from the top line. It is a win line from 5f. Watch what happens to the readouts. You wind up betting on a horse that ran stone dead last and lose the 20/1 winner. I would NOT have used that line even if f6 picked it. 5f pacelines are the KISS OF DEATH . You have been warned.

3) the overall or historical running styles of the horses means NOTHING in working the races as I have laid out. The ONLY thing that matters is his style in the paceline you are using. That matters ONLY in identifying the battle race.

Once you have worked the race in "battle mode" and u get to the scbl "positional" part if the horse( s) you are betting turn out to be one who has a need to lead style where "conventional" pace analysis says "he cant get the lead so throw himout" BET the horse. If he matches on both
1- furthest out positionally on scbl
2- top 2 l/ep
BET THE HORSE TRUST ME BET THE HORSE

4) PATIENCE - Charlie is just about dead on when he says u might get ONE play every few cards. To be HONEST because I DEMAND everything be right for ME it is even less than that. Good things will come to you if you can WAIT on this ok?

safe day and good skill at the windows

Richie

tompkins · 02-08-2006, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RichieP

3) the overall or historical running styles of the horses means NOTHING in working the races as I have laid out. The ONLY thing that matters is his style in the paceline you are using. That matters ONLY in identifying the battle race.

strange observation which takes away from the NATURAL ability of the particular horse at adaptation. Many can change styles in reponse to pace pressure, many cannot. Blanket statement is a bit too inclusive

cprescigno · 02-08-2006, 12:41 PM

Rich,

Once again, that was two really great workups. Though they don't come up often, if you are there when they do and can recognize the conditions it's a real nice score on a solid bet. The only way the public hits these is when they pick the color of the jockeys socks so even a win only bet pays nicely.

Couple of questions
1. Does it matter whether the race is a route or a sprint?
2. How much does field size have to do with it?
3. Why at least 3 NTL horses. Will this work with 2 in a small field?

I have seen this matchup many times. Unfortunately until now I was only able to identify the conditions after the race went off. They always result in nice payouts. I have missed some really nice exactas because I failed to identify this Pace battle race. Maybe I'll get better at recognizing them now. If not I'll be back with 20 more questions!

Charlie

RichieP · 02-08-2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tompkins

strange observation which takes away from the NATURAL ability of the particular horse at adaptation. Many can change styles in reponse to pace pressure, many cannot. Blanket statement is a bit too inclusive

It is absoultely strange. Makes no "sense". can't do that. etc etc. ok.

I want NO part of natural anything.

I got a bit of "freak" in me to be honest.

here are the pp's from that 42 dollar winner yesterday he does NOT show even ONE line where he made a gain positionally in any race "conventional" or NATURAL thinking says " he wins wire to wire cant get the lead today OUT" . Yet in yesterday's race he closed like a runaway freight train

Thank you "common sense public" !!

My RECORDS of the method I posted are complete and cover NUMEROUS tracks for over 7 months now.

to each his own

Richie

RichieP · 02-08-2006, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cprescigno

Couple of questions
1. Does it matter whether the race is a route or a sprint?
2. How much does field size have to do with it?
3. Why at least 3 NTL horses. Will this work with 2 in a small field?

Charlie

Charlie

1) absolutely NOT 5.5f thru 9f dirt and turf

2) NOTHING

3) THREE are needed otherwise way too many races come ino play

Richie

02-07-2006, 08:49 PM	#43
Baum Unix user Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dover Posts: 17	Raul Hey bill finally I got to the board

02-08-2006, 09:26 AM	#46
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,019	Back to business // Clarity Couple of things please: 1) after I get my "positional bets" from the bl/bl screen I insist they must also be top 2 l/ep. ok if they are NOT and I mean BOTH of them I PASS the race. If one is and the other is NOT I do NOT bet the one horse that is. I PASS the race. When I bet these "Battle" races I NEED it ALL to come together. PATIENCE 2) 5f pacelines are the killer of readouts with the Sartin programs. They will screw up your readouts every time and I STRONGLY suggest you avoid using them like the plague man. Go back to testerday's Beu race and for the 6 horse we used the f6 on put that other 76 speedrating in from the top line. It is a win line from 5f. Watch what happens to the readouts. You wind up betting on a horse that ran stone dead last and lose the 20/1 winner. I would NOT have used that line even if f6 picked it. 5f pacelines are the KISS OF DEATH . You have been warned. 3) the overall or historical running styles of the horses means NOTHING in working the races as I have laid out. The ONLY thing that matters is his style in the paceline you are using. That matters ONLY in identifying the battle race. Once you have worked the race in "battle mode" and u get to the scbl "positional" part if the horse( s) you are betting turn out to be one who has a need to lead style where "conventional" pace analysis says "he cant get the lead so throw himout" BET the horse. If he matches on both 1- furthest out positionally on scbl 2- top 2 l/ep BET THE HORSE TRUST ME BET THE HORSE 4) PATIENCE - Charlie is just about dead on when he says u might get ONE play every few cards. To be HONEST because I DEMAND everything be right for ME it is even less than that. Good things will come to you if you can WAIT on this ok? safe day and good skill at the windows Richie

02-07-2006, 08:27 PM	#42
Chip Napolitano Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 108	Wow ! Cn

02-07-2006, 09:12 PM	#44
cprescigno Spec Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 258	Great pace analysis Rich. And we see this match up about once every three to five race cards. If you are there when it happens it's a nice score, and since you are not dealing with an early horse it's always a nice overlay. Those early horses that collapse at the pace pressure are carrying all of the public's money on their backs. This could have come out of Brohamer's Book. You sure you weren't a ghost writer for that one Rich?? You are right Rich, I would be looking to bang this Trifecta, and be looking for the Superfecta if there were one. Those are the bets you want to catch with some money on them. Nothing major but a few $5 Superfectas will work great here. A few $10 Trifectas are nice also. I don't hit them for those amounts normally but when the pace looks like this they are really strong bets. The bulk of the bet still goes on the Win/Exacta but if the Tri or Super hit it's like hitting 10 winners for nice prices. Charlie

02-08-2006, 12:41 PM	#48
cprescigno Spec Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 258	Rich, Once again, that was two really great workups. Though they don't come up often, if you are there when they do and can recognize the conditions it's a real nice score on a solid bet. The only way the public hits these is when they pick the color of the jockeys socks so even a win only bet pays nicely. Couple of questions 1. Does it matter whether the race is a route or a sprint? 2. How much does field size have to do with it? 3. Why at least 3 NTL horses. Will this work with 2 in a small field? I have seen this matchup many times. Unfortunately until now I was only able to identify the conditions after the race went off. They always result in nice payouts. I have missed some really nice exactas because I failed to identify this Pace battle race. Maybe I'll get better at recognizing them now. If not I'll be back with 20 more questions! Charlie