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Mark · 10-03-2013, 06:56 PM

Mountaineer is a very unique track. I believe at one time it was a bull ring but was expanded to a mile. Here is the track layout:
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This is possibly one reason these races don't transfer well to other tracks.

Bill V. · 10-03-2013, 07:01 PM

Thanks Mark

Yes besides the very wide turn I see the start/finish line is not as close to the first turn as I thought . I wonder if horse running at MNR for the first time
wonder why they are getting so tired on the turn

Parx is a more conventional mile oval

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974 feet from last turn to finish. To first Turn, 313 feet.

Bill

Mark · 10-03-2013, 07:35 PM

Bill,
Have you ever gone out to Pomona for the County Fair and watched the races? That is a true Bull Ring. The radius of the turns is so short that it places an absolute premium on early speed. Jockeys like Flores and Martin Pedroza would have a field trip there. (A lot of the top riders took the meet off). The centrifigal force in those turns is minimal down low on the rail but if you were more than 2 horses wide you could forget it. Sore legged horses will quit running as the pressure on their knees and suspensory while trying to take that turn at speed would stop them. You have that same condition in the Clubhouse turn at MNR. No one ever wants to get hung wide in either turn but a horse is virtually eliminated if wide on MNR's first turn in route races. So FTL's comments concerning this race are magnified. Hopefully, this helps explain some of the vagarities of that track.

Ted Craven · 10-03-2013, 07:50 PM

If RDSS users want to see this kind of track related information, check the link on the RDSS Desktop:

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It takes you to: http://www1.drf.com/entries/entries_info.html

And, Pomona = Fairplex (http://www1.drf.com/trackinfo/fairplex_park.html)

Ted

Segwin · 10-03-2013, 08:32 PM

Thanks Ted - that never caught my eye.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted Craven

If RDSS users want to see this kind of track related information, check the link on the RDSS Desktop:

Attachment 35893

It takes you to: http://www1.drf.com/entries/entries_info.html

And, Pomona = Fairplex (http://www1.drf.com/trackinfo/fairplex_park.html)

Ted

Bill V. · 10-03-2013, 08:46 PM

Thanks for the different track information

Good Skill
Bill

10-03-2013, 06:56 PM	#11
Mark Grade 1 Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 318	Mountaineer is a very unique track. I believe at one time it was a bull ring but was expanded to a mile. Here is the track layout: This is possibly one reason these races don't transfer well to other tracks.

10-03-2013, 07:01 PM	#12
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	Wow Thanks Mark Yes besides the very wide turn I see the start/finish line is not as close to the first turn as I thought . I wonder if horse running at MNR for the first time wonder why they are getting so tired on the turn Parx is a more conventional mile oval 974 feet from last turn to finish. To first Turn, 313 feet. Bill Last edited by Bill V.; 10-03-2013 at 08:45 PM.

10-03-2013, 07:50 PM	#14
Ted Craven Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 8,854	If RDSS users want to see this kind of track related information, check the link on the RDSS Desktop: It takes you to: http://www1.drf.com/entries/entries_info.html And, Pomona = Fairplex (http://www1.drf.com/trackinfo/fairplex_park.html) Ted __________________ RDSS - Racing Decision Support System™

10-03-2013, 08:46 PM	#16
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	Ted and Mark Thanks for the different track information Good Skill Bill

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10-03-2013, 07:35 PM	#13
Mark Grade 1 Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 318	Bill, Have you ever gone out to Pomona for the County Fair and watched the races? That is a true Bull Ring. The radius of the turns is so short that it places an absolute premium on early speed. Jockeys like Flores and Martin Pedroza would have a field trip there. (A lot of the top riders took the meet off). The centrifigal force in those turns is minimal down low on the rail but if you were more than 2 horses wide you could forget it. Sore legged horses will quit running as the pressure on their knees and suspensory while trying to take that turn at speed would stop them. You have that same condition in the Clubhouse turn at MNR. No one ever wants to get hung wide in either turn but a horse is virtually eliminated if wide on MNR's first turn in route races. So FTL's comments concerning this race are magnified. Hopefully, this helps explain some of the vagarities of that track.