Phase 1 TPR lessons

[Bill V.]

The best thing to do is try to get a copy of the Pace Makes The Race
The original version might be hard to find. But the second edition works
too.

[Bill V.]

The EPR, Who has the best EPR in this race ?

Its horse #3 Lost bus

[shoeless]

Bill,

Good start to thread


Jeff

[Mitch44]

This # 4 is a NTL and will be all out. This a tough race overall and the M/L on the # 3 will probably drop.

Mitch44

[mowens33]

Bill, great to have you teaching again!

Thanks, Mike

[CEW]

Bill -

The book is still available from Dick Schmidt. I bought sometime in the last year through Amazon and had to laugh when I got a package in the mail directly from Dick with the book, which he autographed.

I have evolved slowly into a TPR player from Synergism over the past 18 months with good results and intend to keep it that way.

Take it easy!

Chuck

[Mark]

I have always wondered what to do about horse who in their last start had: 1. serious commented trouble making the race useless for evaluation purposes, 2. had one or two races off a layoff particularly one race off up to 120 days or so with good works before and after or 2 races off a substantial layoff generally over 200 days or 3. raced on the wrong surface or at the opposite distance structure?
Any substitute race will be older and not necessarily meet the requirement of the "Last Line".

[CEW]

Hi Mark -

I can suggest you listen to the Brohamer Lecture Series, which is posted here on Pace and Cap. Go to the "Audio Collection" then find the Brohamer Tape Lectures. If you pore over these seminars he will answer these questions and many more, probably better than anyone else. They have helped me a great deal!

Chuck

[MikeB]

Originally Posted by Mark

I have always wondered what to do about horse who in their last start had: 1. serious commented trouble making the race useless for evaluation purposes, 2. had one or two races off a layoff particularly one race off up to 120 days or so with good works before and after or 2 races off a substantial layoff generally over 200 days or 3. raced on the wrong surface or at the opposite distance structure?
Any substitute race will be older and not necessarily meet the requirement of the "Last Line".

In the Pacelines Manual, Doc says always use the last line unless there is a valid excuse. He then lists a number of valid excuses, including trouble line, wrong surface or distance, off track, etc.

He also says you can expand the definition of "last line", such as last line before trouble line(s), last line at comparable distance/surface/class, etc. This is the "last line" concept that I use.

In other words, "It depends".

He also says that if a horse showed signs of improving form in the last race (good early speed or ran well against a very fast pace), you can go back to a race that shows what the horse is capable of when in condition. This is kind of blurring the difference between pace line and power line.

[Mitch44]

Hi Bill,

I'm with raceman5 that running wide isn't a troubled trip.

But my made problem with L1 is that the horse ran completely sustained which isn't its running style and is an abnormal race for this horse. I don't need to know the reason, just that's its abnormal. Therefore I would use L3 in this example of TPR and stay with its natural running style. On the Early Late screen his red line or indicators varies along with his EPR'S suggesting he is a E/P and therefore will rate. No % Early or Median is available, they are more accurate. Running styles by those parameters could be different from the S1 at top of his chart.

If I were using another later phase or program I would run both L3 & L4 through it because the variant on line 3 is -16 which is extremely fast and not the norm. L4 is also a projection. I'm not aware how the adjustments for variants or track to track are made in TPR here. In the original book for TPR these are done by hand. Without any further information I would trust the TrackMaster variant and go with L3.

Mitch44