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08-18-2010, 10:29 PM | #31 |
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Here are 3 races won :
http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3063 So now the question is what are looking at for it to "imprint" on our mind? My debate is it is necessary to look selectively at specifics first, before ones eyes automatically can just simply scan the Racing Form race of the winning race and it becomes more and more recognizable, faster. Like The 5 Step Approach, Minds Eye, projecting the pace, running styles, tandems, etc., are things that have to be constantly practiced to attain a level of proficiency before you can see more and more automatically and begin the next level of pattern recognition. Some people can just simply shoot the basketball anywhere on the floor while others have to master a spot or distance from the basket shooting hundreds , if not thousands of shots to attain what others with the very short learning curve can do readily. For instance, lets say we won and saved two or three races under the Lone Early category. So , what factors or winning factors do we highlight so our eyes go there at a glance? Is it: Fastest 1st fraction projection ? Normal break positions from the 1st fraction projection ? Comfort lead at the 1st call ? Specifc Comfort lead for "this" particular horse thru out the race ? Does this Early need minimum Comfort lead in the stretch ? Fighting ability ? Ability to Power Move on the lead ? Ability to Power Move from gate to 1st call at particular fractions ? Ability to Power Move AFTER fighting ? Other than Early ability to win ? Other than Early ability to fight ? The only Lead horse in the race ? Or is the fastest 1st fraction Early's Minds Eye "all" we need ? Other patterns like Chaos race, Other Than Early may require different things to look at and highlight. But before we can start recalling past performances of races won under a Pattern category, we have to 1st win enough of these different type Match Up races. VoodooFan Last edited by VoodooFan; 08-18-2010 at 10:47 PM. |
08-19-2010, 04:01 PM | #32 |
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Voodoo:
Enjoyng the posts, but in this post you seem to focus on attributes of Early races and or horses. The only quibble I have is that the three races won reference at the top is to Other Than Early races. Just thought that the race info imprint would have included races closer to your subject matter. Printed most of this thread and the various reference material and read it two or three times on the plane to Delmar last weekend. Very good refresher and it helped in many cases. thanks for the effort, Bill |
08-20-2010, 12:30 PM | #33 |
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Just thinking out loud and publicly reorganizing study notes is all.
The thanks is owed to those that were quoted, but your nice words are appreciated. In reference to me focusing on Early horses, that was just an example. Lone Early, Other Than Early, 3 matching Earlies, Chaos races, Marathon Races probably have "some" similar patterns, but my thought and query, correct or incorrect is that each one has a "look" or "trigger" unique to that pattern. Although I think saving won races under various pattern categories to recognize them more and more, faster, is getting into the advanced stage for most. Lets say you saved two or more won races from certain patterns and let's say the "pattern" that is not readily seen is the very 1st square, a "spiral" pattern : Lone Early pattern or look : http://www1.math.american.edu/People...esummer04.html Multiple Sprinters in a Route (Other-Than-Early) pattern or look : http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1024&bih=653 As novice Matcher's , in the murky, jungle, confusion of the Past Performance of the Racing Form, we cannot readily "see" these patterns , to see what has occurred "before", to see the "same" horse, different name. We would like to advance to simply open the Racing Form and see the pattern as clearly and distinctly as we can see and know the difference as the above two examples. I think to advance to even approaching THE HAT stage, these patterns almost have to literally STAB you in the eye when you first open the form and look at the race. What steps it takes to start, I am unsure. VoodooFan Last edited by VoodooFan; 08-20-2010 at 12:35 PM. |
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On page 87 of The Beginners Manual, THE HAT goes over The Match Up, there were some things purposefully EXCLUDED/WHITED-OUT in the past performance race he was going over. This, is perhaps, a clue to the template we need to create for saved won races for particular pattern recognition drills, in combination with something like this : http://paceandcap.com/forums/showpos...7&postcount=10 or Quote:
This could mean that THE HAT is selectively looking at triggers/patterns, { Lasering-In } on particulars. What he is ZEROING in on , specifically, holistically, at a glance, is telling him the type of horse that is needed to win this race that has run before. "...there he is..., " "....this same horse won this same or close to exact type of race.., " ".....his name has changed...," "....I remember this race, it has ran 100's of times before...," Like finding Waldo , here's the "jumble" of data, the Past Performance.., where is "our" horse ( Waldo ) that won this race before : http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...ed=0CC0Q9QEwBA Or let's say the "flag" is Other-Than-Early horse, where is he in this Past Performance: http://www.highlightskids.com/Gamesa...5.swf&varsIn=2 Ok, maybe it is not quite like these examples, but you get the idea, it has some parallels. A very advanced stage of The Match UP. VoodooFan |
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5-3-1 ----- NO 5-5-3 ----- NO Not a rule, but a strong guideline. {Possibility} : Altered running style because of not matching: pace of race, power move, MOVED out of 1st call position due to better Sustained horses. So now this horse is either non-contender or is considered a Late-Late horse. But if there is are better Sustained horses, faster with better powermoves, more likely NON-contender than Late. He will be behind the better Sustained horses. Can he win as a Late horse? Quote:
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10-22-2010, 08:04 PM | #36 | |||||||||
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We need to make sure we have THOROUGHLY evaluated ALL the Early horses so as to determine "EARLY or OTHER-THAN-EARLY". Quote:
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"HIDDEN" EARLY : 2-1 ... 2hd... 3-2... 4-2 3-1 ... 1hd... 2-3... 5-1 "BEATEN" & "HIDDEN" EARLY : 1hd... 2-2... 2-3... 5-4..... Beaten Early 2hd... 3-2... 3-3... 4-4..... Beaten and/or Hidden Early 1-1... 1hd... 4-3... 5-5..... Beaten Early 3hd... 2hd... 2-2... 3-5..... Hidden Early Last edited by VoodooFan; 10-22-2010 at 08:22 PM. |
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11-12-2010, 01:12 PM | #37 | ||
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Let's get to that Match Up homework/ research, people. VoodooFan |
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11-21-2010, 12:57 PM | #38 | ||
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"EARLY" OR "OTHER-THAN-EARLY"?
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Have we evaluated ALL the Early horses in the race? We are all looking, and usually the first thing, is to find a LONE EARLY, THE HAT'S Mind's Eye drill has trained us to instinctively look for that like an involuntary reflex action and "Little Cap" kept on reminding us with examples. But let's not forget ALL the Earlies....., LONE EARLY PRESSER : Quote:
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12-16-2010, 05:51 PM | #39 | |||||||||||
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"Early or Other-Than-Early?"
How many times does this have to be repeated? Probably a million more and then some since we have yet/need to master the clarity and winning of and with The Match Up, "HAT" style. We have to KNOW how the race is going to run, so we can KNOW what type of horse we are looking for. We HAVE to KNOW what "EARLY" is and means, and what "OTHER-THAN-EARLY" is and means, without question. As always, let's go to " THE HAT " for clarity and clarification, since he told Rich most races run Other-Than-Early, let's focus on the DEFINITIVE definition of [one] "type" of Other-Than-Early race, a race that usually gives us fits and makes us unsure of our abilities : * * * PACE-LESS RACE * * * Quote:
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Ok , so by THE HAT'S above quotes, it is now easier than ever to spot and identify what type of race we are looking at and what type of horse we are looking for , especially if we ASK THESE questions and now can be easily answered : ** Quote:
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By what has been written, there are 3 ways a race "sets up" to run Other-Than-Early: 1) NEED-TO-LEAD/PURE EARLY horse(s) who collapse either on their own or by killing themselves off fighting for the lead with other Need-to-Lead horses. That may mean also no LONE EARLY, HIDDEN EARLY, BEATEN EARLY. 2) PACE-LESS race ----> a} a race without a PURE EARLY horse, NEED-TO-LEAD only. 3} PACE-LESS race-----> b} a race in which NO HORSE in ALL TEN past performance lines has EVER taken the LEAD at the first call, CHAOS race. So..., 1) Determine "Early or Other-Than-Early" by the above definitions and questions, "PURE" Early horse/NEED-TO-LEAD , which is why one of the 1st things THE HAT does is this: http://paceandcap.com/forums/showpos...00&postcount=2 2) Determine what TYPE of OTHER-THAN-EARLY race, so as to zero-in on the type of horse we are looking for. 3) Next, use this quote to make sure we are evaluating the type of horse we are looking for : Quote:
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So here is the best thread , using THE HAT method, for PROJECTING and going thru PACE-LESS races: http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3689 So it is easier than ever and quicker to know what type of race we are looking at and the type of horse we are looking for. Now, we can better put together the tools of Fastest Pace Last Race, Voodoo Handicapping, Minds Eye , Running styles, Power LInes, Power Moves to more efficient use. Jesus Christ, am I the only one digging into THE HAT'S Match Up here, meticulously analyzing for better clarification or are more interested in "tout" review of races, "playing" the tout, gimmicks, or are you keeping it to yourself? RichieP excluded, notice most, if not all, of the personally-taught students of THE HAT keep silient and keep their level clarity to themselves. Not counting the "celebrities, "experts" or "name-brand" ""handicappers"" that SHAMELESSLY for years steal from The Sartin Methodology without giving Howard/Bradshaw and company ANY credit of worth or worthy mention so as to keep up their reputation, fan following and ego. Very few, if any, seem to talk or get into the Factor Analysis about THE HAT way of attacking a race and its study, attempting to master The Match Up, most like talking "crowd" talk or classic "hossy" paradigms that they can't take to the window EVERYDAY and cash a ticket on. That even goes , to some extent, those attempting to master The Sartin Methodology. You know, I got 22 or so tapes witH THE HAT lecturing anywhere from 3 to 30 minutes lecturing and giving examples on The Match Up, and at least 7 follow-along past performance races to follow. I made 2 copies, one for THE HAT who wrote to me that he is amazed the things he is saying now is what he said 20 years ago.., ...and one to someone else who I got no response to..., those tapes, along with the 3 Match Up books and HAT CHECK are responsible for the little clarity I have, I'm probably the only one that gets excited to hear THE HAT lecture...., ....then there's one Sartin Seminar I let out to borrow , never got it back, probably lost, and it has been so long, I forgot what seminar it was. Not too encouraging with all this stuff, but thats life, man. Quote:
I may be beginning to understand why...., ......and may start borrowing a page from their actions and following their lead. VoodooFan Last edited by VoodooFan; 12-16-2010 at 06:06 PM. |
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02-26-2011, 02:33 PM | #40 |
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Hi Voodoo-
If someone can post up the PP's to race 2 at Santa Anita today (2/26), it fits the #3 description of a paceless race. Maybe someone can take a crack at deciphering this one. I learned to identify the horse closest to the early pace as the likely pacestter and throw him out because he will be out of position today. Then, consider the race to run OTE and match the remaining horses. Honestly, I couldn't project a horse in this race to be my "lead" horse to throw out, except maybe the router (#3). Pete |
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