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04-07-2013, 11:38 AM | #1 |
The egg man
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Last race winners Problem race
Yesterday was the big day with 2 of the major derby prep races , the Wood
and the Santa Anita, It was fun seeing Keeneland and I even saw some turf races at Pimlico. Yet my play of the day was this horse at Parx. Race 8 was a NW1X AL. Of the 8 horses this horse and the 2 horse ( a sprinter ) were the only horses with plus pacelines and wins against winners The rest only had recent MS or MC wins The 3 was my play of the day I would have been happy to get the 5/2 ML odds. It went off at 3/1. I put a full bet on it and a small bet on the 4 horse . I mentioned in the make money with early thread, about horses improving, or maintaining the selected paceline ability. I felt that the 3 after the last OC win and a 30 day freshening with a 7 day workout would be fit and ready We will never know as the horse stumbled and the jockey feel off at the gate. I did learn something from this race. I wonder if anybody else might find this lesson. Give the horse a look and see if you see what I learned, nothing works 100 percent in racing but hopefully this horse will show you something to consider when your top selection may not run its race. FTL knew I was going to make this play and he sent me a nice message last night what do you think ?Do you see a possible negative ? Bill Last edited by Bill V.; 04-07-2013 at 11:42 AM. |
04-07-2013, 02:13 PM | #2 |
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Percent median
Hello Bill.....
A couple of comments: 1) As you mentioned, we will never know as the horse dropped the jockey. 2) The last paceline was the horse's best line---highest speed rating- unadjusted. 3)Most importantly, it would be nice to see the %percent median of this matchup. I am curious if this horse's percent median is deficient compare to the top contenders in this matchup....(deficient by more than 1.5pts) It appears that this one had a soft early pace from the last paceline (raw fractions) In today's matchup, we have a sprinter coming from faster pace fractions. (I am presuming) Even if the jockey did not fall, I am willing to surmise that this horse would have falter late due to a faster early pace expenditure. |
04-07-2013, 06:08 PM | #3 |
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Possibilities
Breaking slower each of last 2 starts. May be at end of form cycle, life and death to hang on in last compared to 2 easy previous wins. Dropping in class track wise Aqu - Prx, slightly cold on tote???? Rumor jockey had a big hangover
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04-08-2013, 01:55 PM | #4 |
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Good stuff
Some good stuff so far ..
I am going to post the rest of the horses PP's Hope this helps |
04-08-2013, 01:58 PM | #5 |
The egg man
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horses
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04-08-2013, 02:37 PM | #6 |
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Bill, normally you don't show the workouts. Perhaps the negative factor
could be the driving workout, which you don't see very often. I hope that's driving and not dogs up, like they show for turf works. The condition was a fast track so I think it's driving. Anxious to know what you now know. Have a great day. Where's Columbo when you need him.
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04-08-2013, 06:06 PM | #7 |
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Horse overcame slow fractions in its MSW win in route race. High APV, and there was a 28 day gap between works. Something that intrigued you in another thread. Been lurking
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04-11-2013, 01:18 AM | #8 |
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Bill, curiosity killed the cat, and getting close for dogkatcher........
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04-11-2013, 05:30 AM | #9 |
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All those who replied have good reasons why the 3 might not repeat
its pace line effort. I would just add that statistically very few horses win 4 races in a row after winning a MC. |
04-11-2013, 03:44 PM | #10 |
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Statistically Speaking
Bill V has it pretty much correct.
I did the research and here are my findings covering a two year period. When a horse wins its' last race and not the race before that, (71,952 trials) it will win 2 in a row approximately 17% of the time When a horse wins its' last two races and not the one before those two, (12,442 trials) it will win 3 in a row approximately 4% of the time When a horse wins its' last three and not the one before those three, (2,690 trials) it will win 4 in a row approximately 1% of the time. All percentages have been rounded. As you can see, the chances of a horse winning 4 in a row are not very good. For that matter, the chances of a horse winning 3 in a row is not very good. One correction to what Bill V wrote is, it doesn't matter if the first win was in a Maiden Claimer, a Grade I race or any type of race in between, my research included all types of races. I didn't take my research beyond the statistics shown above, but I think it is reasonable to conclude that the higher class horses will win consecutive races more often than lower class horses.
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