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03-27-2019, 08:16 PM | #11 |
The egg man
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KGrahpt
This screen show the squiggly lines that come from the KGEN program
The top 3 of the SP and EXDC screen win a very high percentage of races |
03-27-2019, 08:21 PM | #12 |
The egg man
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That is it
This concludes my demo of the Entropy Program
Do you think you can spot the winner of the Tampa Race based on the screens of Entropy? Entropy was designed to narrow the race to no more than 4 or 5 contenders for clients who were entering too many or every horse in the race. Then the top 4 or 5 were sent to thoromation Can you spot the winner and place horse in this race without using Thoromation I think you can |
03-28-2019, 06:49 AM | #13 |
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Absolutely awesome workup Bill. Thank you for taking the time to lay out all the screens in addition to your thoughts and proper use/evaluation of the screens!
" I bet him because of the corollaries" - Aline Best
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03-28-2019, 07:35 AM | #14 |
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Bill
I agree with Richie great demo of using the program thanks Jeff |
03-28-2019, 10:50 AM | #15 |
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Bill: My favorite program of all the older programs was and is Entropy.
When I first came to RDSS it was still on the final screen with BLBL etc. Ted removed it because of redundancy with V/DC. In actually V/DC was birthed from Entropy and is a much greater factor. What makes V/DC so confusing to the majority is the format Sartin used to display it. Americans by and large are oriented on a scale of 100 which is why the simplicity of TPR and the old Entropy are still very popular. Also I guess it was meant to keep the pirates at bay. Users quickly get the Entropy format. As Sartin said people learn and grasp by different means so he used graphs, numbers, segment screens etc. I can get winners from the Energy Generator screen alone because of concept. Sartin always stressed the understanding of concept which took a long time to develop in my brain housing group. Is Entropy the golden grail or as good as the present RDSS program? Hell no! Every program produced by Sartin was an improvement internally and produced more winners. Why settle for a bite when yo can have the whole enchilada. At the time Entropy was a great tool for deciding a proper pace line but the Preceptor does a much better and simplistic job today. The nemesis of Entropy and Thoromation was that pesky 1 and 2 adjust which caused many users to lose races. Through research Sartin was able to eliminate it and greatly improve its proficiency. Thanks for the memories Bill and great interpretation of all the screens. Hope your well Bill and winners jump up off the page at you. Mitch44 Last edited by Mitch44; 03-28-2019 at 11:01 AM. |
03-28-2019, 05:35 PM | #16 |
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I dont think the purpose of this was to compare Entropy to RDSS
Bill thanks again very much for taking the time to demonstrate it |
03-28-2019, 06:26 PM | #17 |
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Richie
I really miss the times when you used to do races with the various computer programs, you made some really good videos. Your knowledge with the readouts along with Bill were the best. Jeff |
03-28-2019, 07:43 PM | #18 |
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Shoeless:
My thread was about Entropy and its evolution into V/DC as in todays RDSS, not off topic and appropriate to RDSS and Sartin material. Members are mature enough on this site to choose their own courses of action, Sartin always allowed free flow of ideas. That choice not only includes what program they use but also what they read. By brainstorming and staying on topic many have the information to make more informed decisions. Sartin was a firm believer in progression or in layman terms if your stalled in the middle of the road you're about to get run over by a piggy back semi truck. I'm in the cab riding with Sartin as he drives on to the objective. Mitch44 |
03-28-2019, 10:52 PM | #19 |
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Hi Bill
To get back to the topic at hand would Entropy varigate the race the same as the Energy program would Jeff |
03-29-2019, 07:05 AM | #20 |
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Jeff
The screen that variegates the race Early or OTE would be the
KGRAPHs This feature was added once clients found out that Entropy could be used as a handicapping program, Entropy was first developed and was called DC Pars. It was a tool to narrow the race down to just a few contenders, Those true contenders which rated well on Entropy were then sent to Thoromation |
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