Understanding RDSS to its Fullest - Page 3 - Pace and Cap

Latekick · 08-10-2014, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill V.

Hello Hoof

Can you tell me some information about Woodbine

I watch the races because they show all Woodbine races here at Del Mar.
From what I see from your most recent examples. Its nothing like the tracks I wager. Actually its night and day different.

Is Woodbine the only major race track in Canada?
are there any other major racetracks in the area

Thanks
Good Skill
Bill

Bill what do you think about using poly lines for the turf

Hoof 11 · 08-10-2014, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Latekick

Bill what do you think about using poly lines for the turf

They are interchangeable, horses will produce similar results on both surfaces.

Dirt is another story......

Hoof 11 · 08-10-2014, 10:49 PM

Playing Woodbine

This will answer a lot of your questions regarding Woodbine, very informative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53utDKxK1o8

Bill V. · 08-11-2014, 09:43 AM

Hoof Thank you for all your time and information.
Woodbine is very popular here in Soc Cal, At least as far as I can tell
from the crowd reactions to some of the prices.
I feel kind of sorry for the track selectors though.
Do they ever have large carryovers? It seems like with the kind of
wild results that happen so often,they would.

Hi late Kick
I have heard the poly track here at Del Mar called Gray Grass
so I suppose its fine to mix Poly and Turf But I don't ...

I only work races on poly with poly lines and turf with turf lines
I hardly ever bet or give much attention to tracks with synthetic surfaces
so I have no opinion on how to bet them

Good Skill
Bill

Hoof 11 · 08-11-2014, 02:52 PM

Hey Bill

The HI-5 is the only carryover you will find at Woodbine, everything else gets paid out. If there are no P4 winners, then it gets divided amongst the 3/4 winners, the same with the P3. With the introduction of the 20 cent wager it’s pretty rare that you will see a 3/4 winner or a 2/3 winner.

It’s common knowledge that Poly and Turf lines are interchangeable, and not just at Woodbine. As far as other synthetic surfaces like Tapeta or Pro-ride and Cushion are concerned, i have no idea, i’ve never worked those types of surfaces.

This years Queens Plate champion Lexie Lou had only raced on the Poly her entire career, and yesterday raced on the Turf for the first time, she won by 3 lengths in a hand ride in the Wonder Where Stakes.

Woodbine isn't all that different from other tracks, you get your fair share of longshots here as you do at other tracks. There are stretches where it's nothing but chalk for days, and then stretches of value plays. There are two things that cause longshots at Woodbine, a radical change in the track bias, and lightly raced or young horses that haven't shown their ceiling yet. Woodbine has a healthy diet of 2 and 3 year old maidens, and you will find these types of races produce value plays.

Stakes races at Woodbine produce a lot of value, the favorite wins somewhere in the neighborhood of 15% of the time, so it's always a good idea to avoid the chalk in stakes races.

08-11-2014, 09:43 AM	#24
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	Woodbine Hoof Thank you for all your time and information. Woodbine is very popular here in Soc Cal, At least as far as I can tell from the crowd reactions to some of the prices. I feel kind of sorry for the track selectors though. Do they ever have large carryovers? It seems like with the kind of wild results that happen so often,they would. Hi late Kick I have heard the poly track here at Del Mar called Gray Grass so I suppose its fine to mix Poly and Turf But I don't ... I only work races on poly with poly lines and turf with turf lines I hardly ever bet or give much attention to tracks with synthetic surfaces so I have no opinion on how to bet them Good Skill Bill

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08-10-2014, 10:49 PM	#23
Hoof 11 Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Woodbine Posts: 761	Playing Woodbine This will answer a lot of your questions regarding Woodbine, very informative. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53utDKxK1o8

08-11-2014, 02:52 PM	#25
Hoof 11 Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Woodbine Posts: 761	Hey Bill The HI-5 is the only carryover you will find at Woodbine, everything else gets paid out. If there are no P4 winners, then it gets divided amongst the 3/4 winners, the same with the P3. With the introduction of the 20 cent wager it’s pretty rare that you will see a 3/4 winner or a 2/3 winner. It’s common knowledge that Poly and Turf lines are interchangeable, and not just at Woodbine. As far as other synthetic surfaces like Tapeta or Pro-ride and Cushion are concerned, i have no idea, i’ve never worked those types of surfaces. This years Queens Plate champion Lexie Lou had only raced on the Poly her entire career, and yesterday raced on the Turf for the first time, she won by 3 lengths in a hand ride in the Wonder Where Stakes. Woodbine isn't all that different from other tracks, you get your fair share of longshots here as you do at other tracks. There are stretches where it's nothing but chalk for days, and then stretches of value plays. There are two things that cause longshots at Woodbine, a radical change in the track bias, and lightly raced or young horses that haven't shown their ceiling yet. Woodbine has a healthy diet of 2 and 3 year old maidens, and you will find these types of races produce value plays. Stakes races at Woodbine produce a lot of value, the favorite wins somewhere in the neighborhood of 15% of the time, so it's always a good idea to avoid the chalk in stakes races.