11/12 Tdn R#7: Practice Race - Pace and Cap

PeteC · 11-09-2014, 10:39 PM

Let's go to Thistledown for our next Match-Up practice race...

mowens33 · 11-10-2014, 01:12 PM

I like the 1 (Low price) with the 9 and 7.
If I get at least 7 to 1 I would take a short on the 7

chuckg · 11-10-2014, 04:18 PM

Using Mind's Eye steps this time.

Scroll through each horse PP starting at the bottom.
Separate Early from OTE.
If horse is Early, mark the fastest first call time that she gets the lead and finishes close to the winner.

Using only Run-style sort and 1st call will race be won by an Early horse or OTE?

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Here I have 5 Es. 1 2 3 5 run side by side at 22.1
6 is too slow.

Race will run OTE.

Looking for OTE that will stay away from the 4 Earlies, run 5th or further back, pass horses against 22.1, gain position and lengths 2nd to Str.

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8 Lusty

jgibilaro · 11-11-2014, 10:47 AM

This is a good one. I will try again.

This will run ote.

1- E out

2- E out

3- E headed out

4- S out to slow

5- S out to slow

6- E out to slow

7- EP out to slow

8- S I went back to 6th race back 22 45.3 58.2 104.4

9- S in the same race as 8. 3rd by 21/2

With all the early speed in this race to kill each other out. I would place
my win bets on the 8 and 9

Capcondo · 11-11-2014, 06:16 PM

My thoughts on this race:

When I looked at this race initially, it looked to me like the 1,2, and 3 are early. I decided to use the tandem race for the 1,2,3,5,6,8, and 9 as the pace.

Pace: 22.1 45.4 59.0 1:05.2 Because it is 5.5 furlongs, I added 6 2/5 seconds to the 5 furlong call.

Here are the horses:

1: E/P against winners. Contender
2: E This is the problem child. The guy who claimed him saw that she runs well off a layoff. Won 1st out at Tdn. Forgiving the previous two races (my achilles heel is forgiving too many bad races) which were run on turf and a sloppy track, I'm down to the 4th race back which was a very good one at Mth. Pace went 22.0 45.3 58.3 fighting. Also ran against those fractions at GP in maiden score closing from 2nd position. If she can run those fractions here, she's going to be tough to beat. The problem here is Mth is 2 seconds faster at 6F than Tdn. I hate to penalize horses coming from better tracks. Contender.
3: E. I think she'll get the lead. Needs to be loose in 22.3. Not going to happen. Out.
4: S Good race two back. No confirming race. Out.
5: She was lost in tandem. Out.
6: Trouble at start in tandem. Did nothing. No pace in any other like the tandem. Out.
7: Only time she ran well against fast pace was in maiden win. Out.
8: Closed up in tandem race from middle position but not enough to my liking. Ran against fast paces at Ind which is a very fast track. I don't trust the fractions there. Out.
9: Ran close in tandem. She is a P type which is going to hurt here chances. Out.

Analysis: There are a lot of unknowns here. As you can see, I don't like the sustained horses her. If I were to pick a horse, I would pick the 2. This is a race I would pass.

Tim

emilio840 · 11-11-2014, 08:36 PM

In this race I like the #1 to win the race. I think he can go wire to wire. If I would play 2horse in this race I would take #1,#9 to win.

emilio

The Pook · 11-11-2014, 09:51 PM

Early Horses:
1,2,3,5,6

OTE Horses:
4,9,7,8

Pace:
22.1,45.4 from tandem

Pace Scenario:
Looks to be tightly fought early with much of the same speed from the tandem. Therefore I see the winner from OTE. After throwing out the Earlies we are left with the only two formful OTE's (4,9). 9 was the best tandem finisher. 4 has a pace line two back with a power move against a faster pace than todays projected one.

Conclusion:
(4,9) to win.

vderdak · 11-12-2014, 07:45 AM

I agree with Emilio that the race will run early and #1 will wire the field.

Bill Lyster · 11-12-2014, 02:06 PM

2 and 3 can duel for lead with 1 pressing in 22.0 - 45.3 - 58.3. Favor the 1 and toss the 2 and 3.

The other E, the 6 is too slow and the 5 is out of form. The 4 is 2/30 with lots of 2nds and 3rds. Except for the one Fonner park sprint outing which I will not accept, this S type is out for me. Could hit board in lower places due to # of E's in here.

The 7 ran evenly last out, but it was first out this track, so I am inclined to forgive and go down to line 5. Two wins for this horse come from 4th and 3rd which fits this race. I think this one could be in the lead by the stretch call

The 8 and 9 are pressers. The 8 looks out of form and/or slow and the 9 closes from 3rd or 4th, but could be a little slow for this group.

For me the race sets up for the 7, with lots of respect for the 1 (the least experienced, but perhaps most accomplished horse in the race, with 2 wins in 4 races

7-1-9 are my choices.

ray lopez · 11-12-2014, 02:50 PM

The early horses for me are the 1,2 and 3.I think the 1 is capable of going all the way.
My projected pace is 22.1-45.2-59.1.
I picked line 4 for horse #7 and he might catch the 1 at the end.The 9 is just a tad slower looking at his time but he's also a contender.
Horses to win are #1 and #7.

11-10-2014, 01:12 PM	#2
mowens33 Grade 1 Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: CAMBRIDGE,MA Posts: 1,042	I like the 1 (Low price) with the 9 and 7. If I get at least 7 to 1 I would take a short on the 7 Attached Images

11-10-2014, 04:18 PM	#3
chuckg Grade 1 Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 168	TDN 7 Nov 12 Using Mind's Eye steps this time. Scroll through each horse PP starting at the bottom. Separate Early from OTE. If horse is Early, mark the fastest first call time that she gets the lead and finishes close to the winner. Using only Run-style sort and 1st call will race be won by an Early horse or OTE? Here I have 5 Es. 1 2 3 5 run side by side at 22.1 6 is too slow. Race will run OTE. Looking for OTE that will stay away from the 4 Earlies, run 5th or further back, pass horses against 22.1, gain position and lengths 2nd to Str. 8 Lusty

11-11-2014, 10:47 AM	#4
jgibilaro Maiden Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 3	Thistledown 7TH This is a good one. I will try again. This will run ote. 1- E out 2- E out 3- E headed out 4- S out to slow 5- S out to slow 6- E out to slow 7- EP out to slow 8- S I went back to 6th race back 22 45.3 58.2 104.4 9- S in the same race as 8. 3rd by 21/2 With all the early speed in this race to kill each other out. I would place my win bets on the 8 and 9

11-11-2014, 06:16 PM	#5
Capcondo Grade 1 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Tempe, Arizona Posts: 600	My thoughts on this race: When I looked at this race initially, it looked to me like the 1,2, and 3 are early. I decided to use the tandem race for the 1,2,3,5,6,8, and 9 as the pace. Pace: 22.1 45.4 59.0 1:05.2 Because it is 5.5 furlongs, I added 6 2/5 seconds to the 5 furlong call. Here are the horses: 1: E/P against winners. Contender 2: E This is the problem child. The guy who claimed him saw that she runs well off a layoff. Won 1st out at Tdn. Forgiving the previous two races (my achilles heel is forgiving too many bad races) which were run on turf and a sloppy track, I'm down to the 4th race back which was a very good one at Mth. Pace went 22.0 45.3 58.3 fighting. Also ran against those fractions at GP in maiden score closing from 2nd position. If she can run those fractions here, she's going to be tough to beat. The problem here is Mth is 2 seconds faster at 6F than Tdn. I hate to penalize horses coming from better tracks. Contender. 3: E. I think she'll get the lead. Needs to be loose in 22.3. Not going to happen. Out. 4: S Good race two back. No confirming race. Out. 5: She was lost in tandem. Out. 6: Trouble at start in tandem. Did nothing. No pace in any other like the tandem. Out. 7: Only time she ran well against fast pace was in maiden win. Out. 8: Closed up in tandem race from middle position but not enough to my liking. Ran against fast paces at Ind which is a very fast track. I don't trust the fractions there. Out. 9: Ran close in tandem. She is a P type which is going to hurt here chances. Out. Analysis: There are a lot of unknowns here. As you can see, I don't like the sustained horses her. If I were to pick a horse, I would pick the 2. This is a race I would pass. Tim __________________ Tim Don't look back. You're not going that way.

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11-11-2014, 08:36 PM	#6
emilio840 Grade 1 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I live in Toronto, Ontario, can Posts: 220	In this race I like the #1 to win the race. I think he can go wire to wire. If I would play 2horse in this race I would take #1,#9 to win. emilio

11-11-2014, 09:51 PM	#7
The Pook Grade 1 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Loretto, Ontario Canada Posts: 2,548	Early Horses: 1,2,3,5,6 OTE Horses: 4,9,7,8 Pace: 22.1,45.4 from tandem Pace Scenario: Looks to be tightly fought early with much of the same speed from the tandem. Therefore I see the winner from OTE. After throwing out the Earlies we are left with the only two formful OTE's (4,9). 9 was the best tandem finisher. 4 has a pace line two back with a power move against a faster pace than todays projected one. Conclusion: (4,9) to win.

11-12-2014, 07:45 AM	#8
vderdak Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 130	I agree with Emilio that the race will run early and #1 will wire the field.

11-12-2014, 02:06 PM	#9
Bill Lyster Grade 1 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Escondido CA just 25 minutes from where the turf meets the surf - "...at Del Mar" Posts: 2,418	2 and 3 can duel for lead with 1 pressing in 22.0 - 45.3 - 58.3. Favor the 1 and toss the 2 and 3. The other E, the 6 is too slow and the 5 is out of form. The 4 is 2/30 with lots of 2nds and 3rds. Except for the one Fonner park sprint outing which I will not accept, this S type is out for me. Could hit board in lower places due to # of E's in here. The 7 ran evenly last out, but it was first out this track, so I am inclined to forgive and go down to line 5. Two wins for this horse come from 4th and 3rd which fits this race. I think this one could be in the lead by the stretch call The 8 and 9 are pressers. The 8 looks out of form and/or slow and the 9 closes from 3rd or 4th, but could be a little slow for this group. For me the race sets up for the 7, with lots of respect for the 1 (the least experienced, but perhaps most accomplished horse in the race, with 2 wins in 4 races 7-1-9 are my choices.

11-12-2014, 02:50 PM	#10
ray lopez Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 859	The early horses for me are the 1,2 and 3.I think the 1 is capable of going all the way. My projected pace is 22.1-45.2-59.1. I picked line 4 for horse #7 and he might catch the 1 at the end.The 9 is just a tad slower looking at his time but he's also a contender. Horses to win are #1 and #7.