Poll Question

[shoeless]

Thanks for the replies dont really know what it's accomplished but was just wondering.

[Bill V.]

Jeff thank you for asking

I enjoy seeing who is doing what
I can root for you all , and I do !!!

Friend helping friends
Bill

[JLSmith]

I think the original question posed is very interesting. Before answering, however, another question immediately comes to mind. What is the Sartin Methodolgy? Bill could give the official definition, I am sure so I may be way off base.

I think the Methodology is, itself, a very broad and sweeping thing that covers a lot of ground. It grew and developed over the years and continues to grow and develop right on this forum. It had many branches and was used in a variety of ways by a variety of people.

My introduction to The Methodology was found in Brohammer's Modern Pace Handicapping, which I read in the early '90's. It spawned a twin, though a not an identical twin, in Hambleton, Schmidt, et. al.'s Pace Make the race. They were similar in concept yet very different.

Very important parts of the Methodology include %E and %M. Pizzola, from what I can tell, all but ignored these factors and focused primarily on things such as PBS and PPF. Much of the Methodolgy used FPS calculations at its core and all but required calculators and computers. Thus programmers such as Ken Massa and Bob Purdy. Massa's present day HTR is a very different animal from Purdy's Synergism VI which is very different from the original Synergism which is very different from Ted's RDSS which is very different from the older Sartin programs -- yet they are, I feel, all equally part of The Methodology, if not simply evolved from The Methodology.

The Hat just used the good old Racing Form.

Are any of these not part of The Methodology? I don't think so.

Are any of these all encompassing of The Methodology? I don't think so.

Could all of these contributors use all aspects of The Methodology equally well? Doubtful.

Did certain contributors excel in specific areas of The Methodology? Definitely.

The only common element to all of the various aspects and branches of the Methodology from what I can tell is the affect of pace on a race. Therefore, anyone that considers pace in any form or fashion when handicapping is using The Methodology -- whether they realize it or not.

So, to answer the original question: No one uses The Methodology in its entirety. But I consider pace when handicapping every race therefore I use The Methodology 100% (applied incorrectly most of the time to be sure but I use it nonetheless).

Just as Doc Sartin developed ideas and concepts, he acknowledges that he borrowed ideas and concepts (as did Tom Brohammer, Mike Pizzola, Dick Schmidt, Tom Hambleton and everyone else that was ever involved in The Methodology).

Just as they learned what they could from each other to improve their knowledge of handicapping I am attempting to learn from all the good folks that post on this forum.

So again, the answer is, yes. 100%.

(how's that for a long-winded way to say a simple three letter word, "yes?")

[Bill V.]

What is the Sartin Methodology ?

Well for me it is a feeling and a desire to work races responsibly
To follow step by step a procedure that was proven in my mind to work.

I think that is the most important part of what the methodology is
Getting people who need something, to get a feeling inside them
that says Do it this way and you will win.

What way is this way? There are guidelines but very few rules
before I started Seminars and workshops by teaching members
gave clients steps and examples of what to do

I never got to go to one but I have heard many tapes of them
Here is something I picked up. It all comes from the person
Almost every speaker had there own idea of how to use
what they read from the yellow manual and individual program manuals
and then the Follow Up
to be continued..

[Bill V.]

So I felt that If I read and ask questions I too could become a winner

Thats what I feel the Sartin Methodology is
Each teaching member seemed to be telling me I got this from Doc's
writings i took it and work it and I win but I learned it from
winners

What I learned from reading and asking questions
made the Methodology to me
1. I am a winner
2. I need to bet two horses or use place and show bets
3. I can win with exactas only if I 3 horse box
4. I need to not handicap but rather pick lines for horses
That is using the best adjusted speed rating of a horse last 3 comparable races
5. I need to bet small but brave
6. I need to do races in 20 race cycles
7. I need to work races alone
8. I learned that I am not that good and I can only do
better than my best ever 20 race cycle
9. I have a deep desire to win using a method I want to win with
10. If I lose more than 1 20 race cycles
Its not the program I probably deviated

Thats what the Sartin Methodology is for me
I feel what I do is live a life based on what I read in the
POW

GS
Bill

[barb craven]

Nicely put Bill. That is what I meant when I said I use the Methodology 100%.

Also, being new, it is all I know.

Barb

[gl45]

JL qouted:
"The only common element to all of the various aspects and branches of the Methodology from what I can tell is the affect of pace on a race. Therefore, anyone that considers pace in any form or fashion when handicapping is using The Methodology -- whether they realize it or not."

We should not forget the pioneers of pace handicapping, Huey and Ray. Their initial pace concepts, are the foundations of pace handicapping.

[JLSmith]

LBJ: "We should not forget the pioneers of pace handicapping, Huey and Ray. Their initial pace concepts, are the foundations of pace handicapping."

I agree completely LBJ. That's more or less what I meant by: "Just as Doc Sartin developed ideas and concepts, he acknowledges that he borrowed ideas and concepts..."

These ideas were later developed and advanced over the years from their origins.

And there is, of course, much more to the Methodology than just differing ways of doing pace analysis (as Bill correctly pointed out). I simply see that (pace) as the cornerstone of the actual handicapping part of the methodology, if you will.

JL

[Bill V.]

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