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Old 03-22-2013, 04:51 PM   #1
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Saturday 3/23 -GG 5th

Here is a race tomorrow with some easy to identify early runners. They are going 5.5 furlongs on the Tapeta at GG with several key matching elements present for matchers to share their analysis and "feel" about...FPLR, need-to-leads, fighters, Early / OTE decision, tandems, etc....
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Old 03-22-2013, 04:52 PM   #2
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Old 03-22-2013, 06:19 PM   #3
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Here are all Tandems, and last race summary. Tandem of #4 and #8 last race (9 Mar 5GG) looks like the FPLR (fastest pace last race) overall (22.6 46), with the 23Feb 6GG tandem including the #4, #5 #6 is a bit faster to the 1st call (22.3 46.2).

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Old 03-23-2013, 12:21 AM   #4
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Pete....

Thanks for putting up this race....

These kind of races are usually"not" my cup of tea...but nevertheless...here are my two cents....

My opinion of this matchup..

The #4 horse Aiming Fluid exits the best last race and best last race fractions...this one should be able to overcome the matchup in this race over the #5 Our Mandate.....

#8 Senor Nava should be rolling up in the stretch for the 3rd spot...

Thanks again Pete!!!!

You done well in getting this section to be active again after a long hiatus....
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Old 03-23-2013, 02:14 AM   #5
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Thanks LS-

In this race I see the 3,4 and 6 as the main earlies. Not sure what the heck happened to the 9 in its last race. Prior to that it had run early but it still looks a bit slower at the 1C (22.4’s vs 22.2 or 22.3).

Looking at the tandem from 2/23, the 6 and 4 fought to the stretch before the 5 came on and passed them. Now today adding in the 3 horse who looks similarly fast and likes to fight, I felt OTE was the way to go. Projected pace 22.1 46.1. Preferably a horse will show it can run OTE against that pace from 4th or further back.

The 5 is a contender off of the tandem-best finisher performance. This one has run its best from third position though:

Last race: 22.1 46.1 104.4 3-3-3-2

The 7 can run well against today’s pace. This one has finished second from 5th/6th position against similar paces (22.2’s and a 21.4). So even though its lone win came from 3rd position I see this one as a good positional fit for this race.

The pace of race in line 7 matches today’s pace the closest:
22.2 46.1 58.1 (104.3) 3-3-1-1

Line 5 is the power line though….
21.4 45.0 104.0 6-6-3-2

The 10 made nice move in the last race but his best running has been from 1st 2nd or 3rd.
Last race: 22.2 46.2 105.2 3-1-4-3
Not enough to overpower the 7 or 5 IMO.

To me the race is between the 7 and the 5.
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:12 AM   #6
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P.S.- Thanks for the tandem screen Ted. Boy, there sure were a lot of them in here. The program makes them very clear to the eye.
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:40 AM   #7
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I will give it a try....

With several speed horses in this race I see it running OTE with a pace of 22/45.4/57 with a final of 104. I see the 4 as the best E, but will be pushed. The 3 will press and should overcome the pace to win. The 7 should run late and be in the money along with the 4. All the other horses are too slow.

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Old 03-23-2013, 11:13 AM   #8
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good betting race

Let's hope the betting public does not look to far past the 7 horse last 2 routes. The pace line I am using to rate this horse is line 5.With the first 2 lines being non-comparable this is acceptable per the pace line manual. When extracting the 3rd fraction from the last route line its apparent the 7 horse is still in form and should run back to one of its better efforts.

My play will be the 7 horse with 4,5 underneath.

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Old 03-23-2013, 12:32 PM   #9
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Here is my take on the race.

The 3,4,6 all appear to be early. I will use the tandem race for a projected pace; 22.1 46.1 58.2.

Here are the runners.

1 and 2 No way.
3 Last 2 did not run to what he did 3 and 4 back. Out.
4 E type. Ran well in tandem. Gets beat if hooked. Out
5 Ran well in tandem after series of poor efforts. Has trouble passing horses.
6 Out. Poor efforts sprinting.
7 S type. Ran well against good pace 5 back. Contender
8 Out
9 Out
10. This horse showed signs of life in his last passing two horses between the 1st and second call after shipping from Southern Cal. He looks like an early horse. Contender.

So, I think the 7 and the 10 are the contenders. The 10 should be in front of the 7 and is my choice.

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Old 03-23-2013, 04:18 PM   #10
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Just don't know

I just can get a good read here
I will wait for odds and see if I can get anything in the place or show spot
for the 7

Looking forward to the post race comment about the 2 routes for the 7 horse


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