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Old 06-29-2012, 02:08 PM   #1
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Synergism - The Classic Handicapping Tool - The Best of The Best

Synergism was authored by Bob Purdy and was and still is one of the most formidable handicapping programs ever written.
Synergism has evolved into it's sixth revision, which requires an expensive data file subscription ftom HDW. However, the software is given free.

The earliest version (maual input) was very effective and had an auto variant feature incorporated into it which made things quite simple.
Some of the Sartin instructors had successfully used this software to achieve a profit. Dick Schmidt has always praised Bob Purdys work.
Elliot Sidewater was the consumate expert using Synergism 2 and
has written and shared his method with those that chose to use it.
Elliot still posts on the other Sartin group.

Some of us on this board are still using versions 2, 3. and 4.
The latter 2 versions require updated par times.
Suffice to say and in my humble opinion, RDSS with it's equalized and adjusted times would be complimented and enhanced 10 fold by the addition of a synergism file conversion feature. It has been promised but never given.

Synergism 3 & 4, would be my preference but Synergism 2 should be included as well.
These 2 versions enable me to project pace. The dream time feature that Jeff (Shoeless) had written about was all important to me and actually won me a contest with a $50.00 plus horse.

Not withstanding, I believe the importance of this software has been negated and swept under the carpet in favor of Energy and KGEN.
It has been promised for years but never came to fruition.

There are still those that use these programs and in my opinion as well as a few others, Synergism will run circles around Energy and KGEN.

Although the conversion to Energy and Kgen are nice features, I personally am not overly impressed by them and have not had or seen results produced by others that I would consider to be impressive.
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Old 06-29-2012, 04:45 PM   #2
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Hi Bill,

Hope everything is ok with you and your wife.

I know you dont have much time these days but really miss your posts.

By the way nice post on Synergism,I tried 3 and 4 but feel 2 is the best.


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Old 06-29-2012, 05:08 PM   #3
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told you so
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Old 06-29-2012, 08:09 PM   #4
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Pino,

Sure did



Feels like old times with both of you, I thoroughly enjoy it
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:16 AM   #5
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Bill,

Your post made me realize that within the Sartin methodology it doesnt
matter what program you are using it just depends on how the person
using it that matters most.


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Old 06-30-2012, 01:42 PM   #6
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Bill,

Your post made me realize that within the Sartin methodology it doesnt
matter what program you are using it just depends on how the person
using it that matters most.


Jeff
Hi Jeff and Pino,

It's nice conversing with the both of you.
It's reminiscent of the many years (mostly pleasurable) that have passed and the friendships and associations I have developed on this site.

Jeff, I can't say I fully agree with you here. I believe that not all software is the same and that some systems and softwares are better then others. I guess each has their place. However, It's all good.

In this case, I would personally favor Synergism over Energy and KGEN. Actually, I have had good results with all of them but I believe Synergism is more staple and pace oriented.

I believe a file conversion to Synergism from RDSS would be a no brainer and handicapping a race would be a snap.
The pars from RDSS would be incorporated in the converted file and once equalized for distance and surface, all one would have to do is properly project todays pace and then interpret the readouts in accordance to the way the race sets up.

Jeff, you have the ability to pick pacelines and for you handicapping each race would be a piece of cake.

The premise is simple and should work well. All we need now is for the powers that be to incorporated it into the software so that it can be tested. At any rate, Synergism is a valid old school Sartin concept that has been effective and is still being used by some of us and would be used by more of us if it were present within RDSS.

Rather then being presumptuous or imposing, I am simply suggesting what I think would be an interesting and a benificial addition to RDSS.
Hopefully, It will be interpreted as just that.

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Old 07-02-2012, 02:20 PM   #7
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Get well Bill...

Looking at your readouts only and nothing else...I see that #2 has an early pace advantage at the first call,thus I am going to slow him down one tick at the first call and and one tick at the second call and two ticks for the final time.

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Old 12-03-2012, 05:28 PM   #8
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this site dosnt help people that that are new to the game.i can not win with this rdss.nor is there any new help for setup ,it work when it came out .no ve good help. you all keep good info for ones self.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:29 PM   #9
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this site dosnt help people that that are new to the game.i can not win with this rdss.nor is there any new help for setup ,it work when it came out .no ve good help. you all keep good info for ones self.
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This site is the best on the internet for a new player. There is a plethora of free fantastic information that Ted and others have put together in the Sartin Library that is available for reading at all times. Not to mention the numerous posts from many Sartin-type handicappers that have "been there, done that".

If you are willing to do the work and just need a helping hand there are numerous people here that will help. Bill Varone is an excellent example of somebody that gives a lot of his time and expects nothing in return. He derives enjoyment from the "friends helping friends win" principle.

However, if you come here just expecting people who have been grinding at this great sport for 20+ years to just hand you their winning plays and how they got them, that is a bit unrealistic. The tools are here, people are here to answer your questions, and the people here are so knowledgeable.

When I was a newer player back in the day, I would have given anything for a group like this. Even though I personally am not a strict Sartin software player, the principles are extremely important for success.

I hope you stay and get your questions, which I have not read many of, answered. If not, I wish you nothing but good luck.

Jim

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Old 12-03-2012, 07:53 PM   #10
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IHAVE SPENT $200.00 ON THE SOFTWARE FOR TWO YEARS AND MADEOOOOO$S .SAYING THAT WASNTLOOKING FOR A HAND OUT
I DO THINK I HAVE PAYED MY WAY. SO IF NO ONE WILL GIVE SOME GOOD INFO WHAT GOOD IS THE SiTE,SOME PEOPLE DO HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND TO BUY THIS AND THAT .SO THIS IS MY LAST $100.00 .but i do thank you for your reply .haven't made any money ,hate to say what my loses are.
Lenabugg (Albert),

I agree (technically) with one point you make - 'this site doesn't help people'. That's the way it works: others do not help you more than you help yourself. I am reminded of the profound wisdom in the lyrics of the Beatles' final recorded song 'The End' ("And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love ... you make.") Translation: what you put into it is what you get out of it; give a little, and watch the (usually magnified) returns come back to you. BUT - you have to take the first step.

Perhaps I am losing my attention to details, but I do not remember your last request for assistance in mastering these tools and concepts (either a private or a public request). Operators are standing by! If anyone reports that they are having a wonderful time, making some money (or a LOT of money) with these tools then it follows that the tools are doing their job in the hands of a motivated and curious user. If you want to have some of the success you imagined for yourself when you first took on these tools - here is my suggestion: ask for help.

Here's how to do it: once a week (or twice a week, or once a day, depending on how much time you have to give), start a thread in the RDSS Forum with a specific race you worked which you did not win. It will be even better for you if you learn how to post a screenshot like you see everywhere on this website, so people can see what pacelines you have chosen, which horses you have chosen to make Contenders and which non-Contenders, and describe as clearly as possible your handicapping and betting decision practice. When you do this - and ask for others to help you understand the process by which they got the winners (or made money somehow betting that race) - this specific focus on details will help you gain knowledge and skills you currently do not have. But I repeat - the key, the absolute pre-requisite for success if you do not currently enjoy it - is to ask for help.

For example, I notice the last card you downloaded was for ZIA on December 1. Why not pick a race from that card or any other card you downloaded from that date and make it the subject of a discussion in a NEW THREAD in the RDSS Forum. Here is a video on how to make screenshots and add them to your posts here: http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8335 I personally guarantee that I will comment on that race, and will encourage others to do the same. Keep on posting examples you would like help with and you will keep on getting answers. Consider joining the RDSS monthly Learning Contest and use it as a method for improving your game by continually asking for assistance. Download some of the same races others have worked in that Contest and see how you could get the same result as the winners did.

If you toil away on your own, you have only yourself as a teacher. If you join a 'school' of excited students and competent teachers - and give yourself to the learning process by joining in and 'emptying your cup' so new knowledge can flow in - your own efforts are magnified many-fold and the dreams you had of success at horse racing will stand a better chance of coming true.

You paid $200 so far for support - why not make use of it (and why not consider upgrading to RDSS2 while you're at it)!

Looking forward to being of assistance. And feel free to write me privately anytime (support@sartinmethodology.com).

cheers,

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